Type A and Type B assets - Grays online

[Stustoys]

Oh, also Stuart once told me that J&S are the ONLY manufacturers of SG, the rest just try!

No No, it wasn't me that said that(you trying to get me stoned to death? lol). Its was a seller of a J&S at a Grays auction inspection I went to over near Ford years ago.

Stuart

[simonl]

No No, it wasn't me that said that(you trying to get me stoned to death? lol). Its was a seller of a J&S at a Grays auction inspection I went to over near Ford years ago.

Stuart

I knew you would disown that comment!

I think it was you that said that Blohm was rubbish and over rated too, likened it to a VN commodore….

OK I've stirred the pot enough, now I'm outa here.

Simon

[simonl]

OK. Turns out that a collection day of Monday will work fine with the vendors AND they have agreed to load onto my trailer with a forklift if I'm the winning bidder. Things are looking good. Just need someone to outbid me on the Elliot in Sydney and then win this auction here. I think it's more likely I'll be stuck with the one in Sydney OR not get any of them. Having said that, I did a search and looked at quite a few SG that went for auction in the past year with Grays and they all seem to sell for about the ball park I'm aiming for, with the exception of lots sold in QLD, they went for astronomical prices! So, I guess we shall see.

Simon

[Toggy]

Simon,

Call me a tosser all you like for having a TOS toolroom lathe, because I now have a Hardinge HLV too. The Tos are built like the proverbial brick outhouses.


Ken

[simonl]

Simon,

Call me a tosser all you like for having a TOS toolroom lathe, because I now have a Hardinge HLV too. The Tos are built like the proverbial brick outhouses.


Ken

Ha I'm still laughing after the shenanigans I caused with Stuart and now I pissing myself as I type this too! You would no doubt know that I meant no offence, just having a giggle. So, for future reference, the TOS SG are worth a look then? I guess I could rebadge it Titan machinery, Optimum Maschinen, Lada Niva, or something!
Yes, you got a Hardinge HLV, I got no come back for that tool or no tool, that is simply awesome!

Simon

[Toggy]

Simon, No offense taken. Just couldn't help taking the p!ss out of you.

All the Soviet Bloc countries prior to the break up were apparently paid on tonnage out the door; not number of units produced. Castings are usually massive and no such things as finesse.

I have no idea why that Rich River grinder had the front panel off. It was too big for me and I quickly lost interest after seeing the lathe. Having checked up on some other Tos surface grinders that appeared to be smaller than this one they were running 7.5hp motors to the hydraulics. To big for my RPC. The Tos lathe was factory specced with 8hp and this one came with a 10hp 2 pole. I now run it on a 3hp 4 pole motor, but to utilise the 2900 rpm capabilities I would need at least 8.
I have an almost new Tos 3 jaw chuck here and it is top quality in my opinion. Good enough for the Hardinge. Cast your mind back to the Soviet FoxBat plane that defected years ago. Claimed as the best fighter plane of the time; but with hydraulic fluid sloshing around on the cockpit floor. Their machinery seems to work well enough, but general appearance does not count.

Ken

[RayG]

Nothing wrong with TOS machines, they are built to last, and good solid Czech made soviet era heavy iron engineering.. they would eat those puny swiss and german machines for breakfast....

They are still around, http://www.tosvarnsdorf.com/en/

Ray

[.RC.]

I believe there were a few TOS organisations in the soviet era.... The Tos company that makes chucks was not the same as the TOS that made borers...

Maybe TOS means something in cheq speek.. Like Seiki means precision or something like it in japan, hence so many businesses with Seiki in their name..

[Toggy]

RC,

My understanding is that it is/was a conglomerate of factories in under the umbrella of the TOS name. There was even one factory over the border river in Hungary.
My lathe was made by the MAS factory. Tos Trencin is another name that comes to mind. I find ease of use and accuracy great with my Tos very good.

Ken

[Michael G]

These machine tools seem to grow in size when you put them in your shed.

I assure you they don't - the chuck on mine is still 10"x5"

Michael

[malb]

Going back to the original question about cat A and Cat B items on Grays, I believe that cat A items are items that are portable and do not require qualified and insured tradespeople (to disconnect from mains power and other services, etc, or for dismantling such as erected racking systems, mezzanine floors, etc,), specialist machinery to remove from area, or pose a transport hazard.

Anything that does not qualify as cat A automatically becomes cat B and generally requires a 'pre qualified contractor' to disconnect, and remove from site or load to customer arranged transport.

In this case, the SG may be hard wired to power, rather than plug connected, or it may be acknowledged that the unit should have the hydraulic fluid drained and appropriately contained before transport, as having a few litres of fluid sloshing around the factory floor or dribbling over the road from a trailer are OH&S hazards.

[Pete F]

Going back to the original question about cat A and Cat B items on Grays, I believe that cat A items are items that are portable and do not require qualified and insured tradespeople (to disconnect from mains power and other services, etc, or for dismantling such as erected racking systems, mezzanine floors, etc,), specialist machinery to remove from area, or pose a transport hazard.

Anything that does not qualify as cat A automatically becomes cat B and generally requires a 'pre qualified contractor' to disconnect, and remove from site or load to customer arranged transport.

In this case, the SG may be hard wired to power, rather than plug connected, or it may be acknowledged that the unit should have the hydraulic fluid drained and appropriately contained before transport, as having a few litres of fluid sloshing around the factory floor or dribbling over the road from a trailer are OH&S hazards.

That's what I thought too, but the item info said they could skate it to the front of the building as I understand it.

[simonl]

Couldn't help myself so I went and inspected it. The SG has already been disconnected from the power, the coolant drained but I think it still has hydraulic fluid. The manager who I spoke to was very helpful. He offered to skate it to the front and then to load it on my trailer with a forklift. I spoke to Grays about using a forklift and they told me it can't be done that way and that I would have to hire a contractor with a crane. Edit: The grays website has a listing of "preferred contractors" so I played the game and rang one, they charge $100/hr with a 3 hour minimum. If they turn up and have to wait in line I also have to pay for that too. I don't begrudge paying a dude $100/hr with a crane as it sounds reasonable to me given the equipment & overheads he must have but why would I want to do that when they have a forklift? That's what forklifts are for, lifting stuff! Cheers, Simon

[Pete F]

I don't see why you need to use one of Grays "preferred" contractors, and can use whoever you please. Also I'd say once it's out of the building you could tell Grays to shove it where the sun doesn't shine and you can balance the thing on your forehead for all it's still their business. Once it's off premises you could skate it all the way home if that's what floats your boat, it's no longer their concern. The problem in this instance is the lifting is being done by the dude in a forklift who works for the company. It would be a ballsy move to rely on them honouring their promise to lift it, while they have Grays and a bunch of peeved "preferred contractors" squealing like stuck pigs in the background.

I must admit I'm becoming increasing irritated by Grays, and don't especially like dealing with them, but that's just my opinion. Remarkably it always seems to go reasonably well on the day however, and the guys there are normally pleasant and helpful.

[welder]

Did you win the Elliot in Sydney ?