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    Well it was a great way to spend a Saturday. Stuart , Selwyn and yourself where very knowledgeable had a good yarn.
    Some people like PlayStation and computer games, some like drugs and alcohol. I just love Machine tools of any sort
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    Quote Originally Posted by markgray View Post
    . Have not got the bill yet but I am sure there will be sticker shock!! Lucky they waived to airport proximity crane fee. Yes every time they use a proper crane crane this close to the airport you are meant to fill in paperwork and have it approved and pay the appropriate fee.
    When you get the bill, look at the planer on the truck/in the shed and any bill shock will diminish with your smile at having the planer at home.

    Having the big crane certainly makes it a much less risky lift. I also see what you mean by no room to move in the carpark.
    Gold, the colour of choice for the discerning person.

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    I were just looking at me Hercus shaper. It seems a bit 'diminished' now.

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    Congratulations on a job well done Mark, that is certainly a beautiful looking piece of English iron and appears to be damn near brand new to boot.
    I love the photos of it flying through the air but my favourite shot has got to be the one with the Selson and the Star sitting side by side.
    One can only hope that when old mate does decide to call it quits someone will be around to ensure that at least the Star planer is preserved as a piece of Australian manufacturing history and doesn't end up in the breakers yard like its twin.
    Looking forward to seeing your machine in action one day soon.
    Cheers,
    Greg.

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    [QU
    One can only hope that when old mate does decide to call it quits someone will be around to ensure that at least the Star planer is preserved as a piece of Australian manufacturing history and doesn't end up in the breakers yard like its twin.

    Greg.[/QUOTE]

    Thank god the star is already spoken for. A long time customer has made an offer for it.

    I have asked him to let me know when he decides to retire and will advertise the other planers here if not already sold.

    Mark

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    Congratulations on the successful move, looks like it all went pretty smoothly. The actual condition of the machine looks almost brand new. I doubt you'll ever find one that good again.

    Ray

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    Best Regards:
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    I see in the photo of lifting the table off you can see the table worm for the spiral drive. Such a simple design to drive the table. Just a motor attached to a shaft attached to a worm that engages a rack gear on the table.

    The electrics to drive the DC motor might be a bit involved though.
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    I belive its been updated to AC It had a Monster VFD in the control cabinet.
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    I was at a function for TAD today and one of our members let slip that he was also a member of the SA Historical tool society; they had just had their Christmas auction and one member had ended up with this.
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    That member passed it on to my friend who passed it on to me. It's a planer tool, takes a 3/8" piece of tool steel and the shank is (nominally) 1" by 1 1/4". Mark, having the largest planer gets first refusal but it needs a home to go to.
    (Price is a photo of it fitted to pass back the chain)

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    Michael that is very generous and of course I have to say Yes!!
    PM me and we can discuss details.

    Thanks again

    Mark

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machtool View Post
    They pulled out the big guns. I love cranes. The 35 would have eaten it, but I guess that wasn't available.

    A 55T Lieb. Glad I wasn't paying for it. How ever, I'm going to predict, Botany Cranes come to the party somewhat? Did you get out of it for under $3k. Cranes in Sydney are Exi.



    That would be the 55T Liebherr. Same machine. It has 40 metres of hydraulic boom. Plus another 16 metre's of fly boom. It's way more machine than was needed, but their Franna wouldn't have been up to the lift.

    Good picture of spreader bar / choke angles. That top rig down from the hook until the spreader is close enough to call it 120 degs. Rob the rope tangler, should step in here. But it has more strain on the rigging at that angle, and a collapsable force working on the spreader.

    (On Edit) Some one really trusts their rigging. If you look closely, there two turkeys standing on that yacht. Either side of the two cross spreader bars.

    G'day Phil and All,
    I have just caught up with this thread, and for anyone interested here is my two cents worth. The top spreader bar would be a bit less than 120 degrees I think, perhaps around 100 degrees, but a wide spread just the same. As Phil has said, the wider the spread, the higher the tension in the two chains suspending that top spreader bar. At 120 degrees, if we assume that the boat and lifting tackle under the crane hook weighed sixty tonnes say, then the crane scales should indicate sixty tonnes and the tension in EACH of the two angled chains on the top spreader would be sixty tonnes also. A 120 degree spread angle is normally the maximum allowable, as the tension goes up exponentially (figuratively speaking) as you continue to flatten the rigging.
    Phil, I think that the two blokes on the boat are just positioning the basket hitch slings under the hull before the crane takes the weight, the stern end in particular looks to be quite slack, and hopefully they were well off the boat when it was lifted. There is a lot to like about cranes with hydraulic booms, especially from someone who spent lots of his working life setting up and breaking down largish pin jib cranes, 40, 60 and 100 tonne P&H models, but the pin jib cranes had one big advantage in that they could lift a lot more than an equivalent hydraulic crane as the lift radius was increased, because the pin jib or lattice boom itself was much lighter than the hydraulic boom. It is horses for courses really, for a long job extending over several weeks or months, like building a power station, or a 5 story tilt panel apartment block, a large pin jib with plenty of stick in it is good, because it can lift heavy loads and reach out a good way with them, so the setup costs of a couple of days work needing a smaller crane, and several semi loads of boom sections, counterweights etc, can be amortised over the job duration, while a one off like that boat or Marks planer is much better done by the hydraulic crane which would have come on site, set up and done the job and be half way home again before the pin jib crane even had all its bits on site.
    A quick comment on Franna Cranes too. I have not worked with anything bigger than 20 (or maybe 25 tonne) Frannas, which are great in that they get onsite quickly, virtually zero setup time, and get back home again almost as quickly as you could drive a ute. their disadvantage is a lack of stability, or perhaps more a drop off in stability when you turn sharply when shifting a heavy load, - its hard to beat a slewing crane on its outriggers there, and I imagine that even bigger Franna type cranes would have more of a problem here, but as I said, I have never worked with one myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .RC. View Post
    When you get the bill, look at the planer on the truck/in the shed and any bill shock will diminish with your smile at having the planer at home.

    Having the big crane certainly makes it a much less risky lift. I also see what you mean by no room to move in the carpark.
    If I had to do a lift like that with a Franna or similar crane, I would not wanting to be carrying the load, I would line up and lift with steering straight ahead, and have the semi back in under, so that I could hoist straight down, with only very minor slew or boom up/down adjustments, (preferably none at all). You would be surprised the number of crane incidents where even with outriggers down, the concrete has failed catastrophically, and Frannas have no outriggers, only wheels. The big slewing crane was a much better setup. I also second RCs thoughts on having the planer home and bill shock..
    A big thanks to Mark and Andre for all the great photos too.

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