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22nd Oct 2021, 01:25 PM #1Most Valued Member
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Ladder Brackets
Given that I'm not getting any younger and my trees won't stop dropping their leaves, I reckon it's time to fit some ladder brackets to the roof. I've got a harness and a few anchor points on the roof, but it's getting from the ladder onto the roof and vice versa that scares me. I'd like at least two sets of brackers, but ideally four.
I found these sold by a company in Sydney, but they are $150 a set plus GST. Basically a strip of SS with a profile formed into it. It appears to be no more than 3mm thick. I'd like to try making my own. Not necessarily the same as these. Have any of you chaps made something like this before? They don't have to meet any standard (just my standards). Keen to hear any ideas.
Edit: clarified the price.Chris
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22nd Oct 2021, 01:57 PM #2Golden Member
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I have the same problem and took similar steps. Buy a ladder that stands a metre over the roof and cut the rungs out of it that are over the roof, now you have two hand holds to help when stepping onto the roof from the ladder and getting back onto the ladder which is fraught with danger is not a problem. BTW anyone over fifty should not climb ladders, ask Molly Meldrum what can happen. This is the bracket I used..
Parapet Type Bracket - Safety Roof AnchorsCHRIS
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22nd Oct 2021, 02:11 PM #3
Never looked before but for ease of fabrication I would probably go under the sheet.
https://www.sydneyanchorpoints.com.a...r-Brackets.htm
Edit: The parapet one linked above has a gutter version, also appears to be under sheet fixing.
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22nd Oct 2021, 02:19 PM #6Golden Member
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There is no support under the sheet where my roof bracket is installed and no other place on the roof is feasible due to large ground level changes. Mine is installed at the mid length on the sheet and not at the end.
CHRIS
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22nd Oct 2021, 02:26 PM #7
Fair enough, but your roof would be an exception. Most CGI roof construction has a fixing batten close to the end of the sheet, I would think the manufacturers would also have a maximum overhang from last fixing point to ensure structural integrity in windy conditions.
Edit: Example here https://www.stramit.com.au/assets/Te...sign-Guide.pdf
Page 4, 100mm unsupported, 2-300 depending on wind conditions with support.
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22nd Oct 2021, 03:32 PM #8Most Valued Member
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That’s me. But finding someone who will empty gutters, clean solar panels, remove lichens, replace flue cowlings, etc without paying an arm and a leg is difficult, if not impossible. So I end up reluctantly doing it myself. If only I had a couple of adult sons living at home. Oh wait…
Chris
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22nd Oct 2021, 03:47 PM #9Most Valued Member
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22nd Oct 2021, 06:15 PM #10
I took a slightly different approach, I welded this up in stainless some years ago, it bolts through the timber.
Once the ladder is up between the 2 "hooks" a cross bar slips over the top of both and slides down to secure the ladder so it cannot move in either direction.
ladder hook.jpg
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22nd Oct 2021, 07:20 PM #11Most Valued Member
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I’ll just leave this here….
85m if anyone is wondering
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22nd Oct 2021, 08:17 PM #12Philomath in training
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So who left the 8mm open ender in the ute?...
(I feel uneasy just looking at the photo )
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First, let me commend you for actually thinking that far ahead as so many think that incidents only happen during paid employment. Can I ask one question? Now you may well have covered this and in fact there is a good chance that you have seeing as how you've gone to the trouble of anchor points and a harness, but do you have a plan in place that covers what you/other people will do if you actually need the services of that harness? If you are running an inertia reel type retractable lanyard, then there is less chance you will actually fall over the edge, but it can still happen. Do you have a rescue plan in place? If not, give it some thought as those crutch straps lose their appeal real quick when you're hanging from them
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My 5 cents worth being a plumber and someone who gets onto roofs is the idea in the first photo is how I would do it.
I wouldn't use stainless steel as it will corrode zincalume or colorbond over time, probably 5 years.
In the illustration they use 3 screws on each side, in reality only the centre one goes into the batten, the other two I think only goes into the sheet.
I use 2 of these on jobs, not only for it sliding but also the wind blowing the ladder away.
https://lockjawladdergrip.com.au/
I did a quick google search and came up with this, I would buy this if I was regularly getting onto a roof.
I like the idea that you can tie the ladder into place and that the ladder does not squash the guttering.
Hi-Safe LS25G Ladder Bracket Gutter - Roof Anchors / Ladder Brackets & | Height Safety Central
And yes I get scared getting on and off a ladder with the thought of it sliding and hitting the hard ground at speed.
I recently cost one of my clients $15000.00 because I wouldn't use a ladder to go up the external side of a commercial building, it was 8 metres to the guttering.
There was a mezzanine floor inside the building already so we put stairs to the top, an access hatch through the roof and a access ladder between the two, it is very easy to access the roof now.
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23rd Oct 2021, 08:55 AM #15Most Valued Member
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To date, my rescue plan involved calling for help. These days I only go up on the roof if my wife is at home so I'm not dangling from a rope for hours while she's at work. I recently did a working at heights course. They told us you've only got 15 minutes max in the harness before you suffer permament damage from blood loss. Some estimates give you 5 minutes.
Chris
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