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2nd Apr 2021, 03:48 PM #1New Member
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Aluminium plate - sources, grades and cutting
Hi everyone, new member here I'm a 'semi-experienced' tinkerer / builder / inventor, jack of all trades and master of none
I'm currently interested in experimenting with (eg ~3mm) aluminium plate of a decent grade, for light weight and rigidity. The pieces I need are rectangular or square, something in the range of 300mm to 600mm a side, though this is not particularly critical (at least for prototyping). Ideally it would be at least partially punched or drilled to help form a cagelike structure.
A grille or perforated sheet product was my first quest, but I can't find anything available off the shelf that isn't the usual weak soggy base grade ali. Next I racked my brain (and google skills) trying to identify products that might be a cheap and convenient source of suitable pieces, but with no luck. So my next plan is to buy a sheet and get it cut to my own design.
Ultimately I want to pulse mig (or tig) the bits together, with supporting gussets etc, to end up with a lightweight but sturdy structure. My last resort would be to mig it all up out of rod, but I'm hoping to avoid this, as I have no experience yet welding ali and will be using borrowed gear with limited time constraints.
So if it's not too greedy to ask multiple questions in my first post:
1. Can you think of any products that contain stiff aluminium plates/grilles?
2. What grade of ali should I be looking for, for rigidity and miggability?
3. Should I get it laser cut, water cut, plasma cut, cnc cut, or other?
4. Can I fold 90 degree bends in this stuff, or is this generally done prior to hardening? (This is not critical but it would save some or all of the welding. I could even perforate the folding lines).
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5th Apr 2021, 11:14 AM #2
Hello Inigo Montoya,
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You might,consider changing your location from NSW to more general one IE. Sydney,or even better a suburb.
Often when you could be seeking product info, members who know your general area can direct you ( to a previously unknown by you ) to you business location that has a product you may be seeking
It might well be, that fellow member maybe they are just across in the next suburb and can assist or demonstrate a technique. Many of us are willing to help in this fashion.
Again, welcome to our forums.
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5th Apr 2021, 12:05 PM #3Most Valued Member
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It would help if you actually came out and said what you are building.
What do you term the "usual soggy base grades" of aluminium?
Weldable grades of aluminium that you will commonly find in either sheet or extruded products will come from the 5XXX and 6XXX families of aluminium, with the latter being confined to extrusions. Strength and toughness come at the expense of bendability. For example, grades commonly found in 3mm would be 5005, 5052 and 5356. These are all very workable, but do not have the toughness of 5083. 5083 however is not the best for bending and has a tendency to crack unless radius bends are used.
All aluminium softens to some degree post welding, so you will also need to consider that.
You will tend to find that aluminium is supplied in grades that reflect its probable end use. For example 20mm 5083 would be a common item, while 1.6mm 5083 is not.
In short, your choices are limited.
As far as profile cutting, avoid water jet cutting if you want to weld the components. My first choice would be CNC router, followed by laser.
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5th Apr 2021, 01:42 PM #5Most Valued Member
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It would help if you actually came out and said what you are building.
What do you term the "usual soggy base grades" of aluminium?
Weldable grades of aluminium that you will commonly find in either sheet or extruded products will come from the 5XXX and 6XXX families of aluminium, with the latter being confined to extrusions. Strength and toughness come at the expense of bendability. For example, grades commonly found in 3mm would be 5005, 5052 and 5356. These are all very workable, but do not have the toughness of 5083. 5083 however is not the best for bending and has a tendency to crack unless radius bends are used.
All aluminium softens to some degree post welding, so you will also need to consider that.
You will tend to find that aluminium is supplied in grades that reflect its probable end use. For example 20mm 5083 would be a common item, while 1.6mm 5083 is not.
In short, your choices are limited.
As far as profile cutting, avoid water jet cutting if you want to weld the components. My first choice would be CNC router, followed by laser.
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5th Apr 2021, 01:55 PM #6Most Valued Member
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As Elan suggested, if we knew what you were trying to make, it would be far more helpful in suggesting appropriate materials etc.? Also telling us what equipment you have available helps too.
As for a solid grille type item, I can only think of Security Mesh being strong enough, it's used a lot in 4WD's for storage of seldom used items, above areas that need quick access, without having to unload everything above it.
Welcome to a TOP FORUM too.
HTH
KrynTo grow old is mandatory, growing up is optional.
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5th Apr 2021, 02:24 PM #7Senior Member
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These people will make anything to a provided drawing. Very versatile.
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5th Apr 2021, 06:49 PM #8
Hi Inigo Montoya,
Please take the following in the spirit it was written. We want to help ,but gee whiz please make it easier for us .
You are not the first person and will not be the last, to post a question in our Forum and not be specific about what object they propose to make.
From the point of view of a person attempting to answer your question/s it can be most difficult, as the person replying has to guess what you are making and question you on sets of variables, few of which may be applicable.
Far better to state what item you hope to make plus the environment the item is expected to operate in and then ask about what materials would be best suited to achieve this and how they can be worked using the available tools /equipment you possess.
It helps a lot if you tell what gear/tools etc you own that you thing might be useful.
I am sure many inquiries of a similar type fail to attract all the responses they deserve because it hard to begin this process as there is no point to start from.
So if you can let us know what you are wanting to build, I do believe you are likely to attract more responses.
Ok something you may need to know. Some aluminium sheet should not be sharply folded with the grain. It can crack.
What grade is was I can't remember. Sheet metal guys will know what I speak of and can advise on that.
It so happened that the fold was the last process after the rest was marked, cut out, drilled etc and the job went in the bin.
Handy to know or what?
Cheers
Grahame
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6th Apr 2021, 05:37 PM #9New Member
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Hi everyone, thanks for the warm welcome and tips, and apologies for my lack of detail. Put simply though, I think I've found a gap in the market and this could potentially be a saleable product, so I'm really reluctant to spell out what I'm working on in a whole lot of detail. I realise that's probably a bit frustrating and I apologise, I'm just feeling a bit coy until I get deeper into what I can and can't achieve and whether it could become an income stream for me.
By 'soggy' aluminium I meant the extrusions you find at bunnings (I also bought some from Capral many years ago) that just had no strength. They'd bend under very little load, and had no resistance to twisting. In contrast I have some audiovisual gear with aluminium mounting brackets that feel very close to steel - ie, really stiff and strong, so that's what I was seeking.
I think you've answered my questions though, it seems like what I'm looking for is grade 5xxx plate or 6xxx extrusion, which is ideally already hardened, to make the stiffest structures with the lowest weight. It also sounds like anything stiff enough to be useful will not realistically be bendable without special techniques. I have the usual workshop tools to cut and drill, and I can borrow a pulse mig set up for alloy, so for now I will focus on a simple cut and weld fabrication process.
Thanks again for your help, and I look forward to spending more time here and sharing what I learn
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