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  1. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by elanjacobs View Post
    I thought country of origin was mandatory on packaging...
    Hi Guys,

    It is in some countries ! Don't know about Au though, it certainly is is the UK.

    They do try it on though with almost unreadable pale print or hidden in a block of text.
    On principle we will not buy Spanish wine, but its surprising how many come with look alike or unreadable labels COO often mixed in with a foreign language.
    Best Regards:
    Baron J.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaronJ View Post
    Hi Guys,

    On principle we will not buy Spanish wine, but its surprising how many come with look alike or unreadable labels COO often mixed in with a foreign language.
    How come you don't support your former penal colony, we have some of the best wines in the world! Not that I would know, I drink beer with XXXX on the cans.
    Rgds,
    Crocy.
    P.S. interestingly some of the drill bits that come from that place that has banned our wine are hit and miss. I guess it the lack of quality control and periodic testing that lets them down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Croc View Post
    How come you don't support your former penal colony, we have some of the best wines in the world! Not that I would know, I drink beer with XXXX on the cans.
    Rgds,
    Crocy.
    P.S. interestingly some of the drill bits that come from that place that has banned our wine are hit and miss. I guess it the lack of quality control and periodic testing that lets them down.
    Hi Crocky,

    What on earth gives you the idea that I don't support Au wine producers ? Australian Shiraz happens to be my favourite Wine along with French Merlot and South African Pinotage. Its actually beer that I don't care for !

    As far as drill bits are concerned both Presto and Dormer still make some here in the UK.
    Best Regards:
    Baron J.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaronJ View Post
    What on earth gives you the idea that I don't support Au wine producers ?
    I guess Old Croc got confused between Spain and Australia. No wonder we have wars!
    Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaronJ View Post
    Hi Crocky,

    What on earth gives you the idea that I don't support Au wine producers ? Australian Shiraz happens to be my favourite Wine along with French Merlot and South African Pinotage. Its actually beer that I don't care for !

    As far as drill bits are concerned both Presto and Dormer still make some here in the UK.
    Quote Originally Posted by jack620 View Post
    I guess Old Croc got confused between Spain and Australia. No wonder we have wars!
    No confusion, I was laughing at the comment about Spain. I have had a few samples of Spanish wine at friends dinners, tasted like strained through a Bushman's loincloth. I haven't been able to drink any wine or beer all year due to my erratic Gout.
    Back on topic, I had a wild experience a few months ago where I was drilling lots of holes in steel with a 3/8" clearance drill, had them clamped down in a vice when I jammed the bit. Normally I hit the stop button but before I could the bit snapped, the tip still in the hole, shank in the chuck and the middle portion speared into my left arm. Table was locked in position, vice clamped to table. I have broken bits freehand drilling before, but never exploded one.
    Rgds,
    Crocy.

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    "...speared into my left arm"

    Thats somthing to think about. Drilling I usually just wear two dollar shop glasses.....


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    Country of origin only applies to food products in Australia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Croc View Post
    No confusion, I was laughing at the comment about Spain. I have had a few samples of Spanish wine at friends dinners, tasted like strained through a Bushman's loincloth. I haven't been able to drink any wine or beer all year due to my erratic Gout.
    Back on topic, I had a wild experience a few months ago where I was drilling lots of holes in steel with a 3/8" clearance drill, had them clamped down in a vice when I jammed the bit. Normally I hit the stop button but before I could the bit snapped, the tip still in the hole, shank in the chuck and the middle portion speared into my left arm. Table was locked in position, vice clamped to table. I have broken bits freehand drilling before, but never exploded one.
    Rgds,
    Crocy.
    Well Crocky, I've never heard Spanish wine described like that but I can only agree ! Sorry to hear about your Gout. Next door neighbour suffered from that, he said that it was extremely painful.

    If you ever get chance to see the grapes being picked and dropped into the hopper you might be shocked at what else ends up in there. I've seen snails, frogs and lizards among other live animals go into the crusher, mind you the French will eat those first two !

    With regard to exploding drill bits, that's a very good reason for eye protection.
    Best Regards:
    Baron J.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil317 View Post
    "...speared into my left arm"

    Thats somthing to think about. Drilling I usually just wear two dollar shop glasses.....

    [QUOTE=BaronJ;

    With regard to exploding drill bits, that's a very good reason for eye protection.[/QUOTE]
    2 trips to the doctor's this year for sawdust blown in my eyeball, I wear a construction helmet with a polycarbonate visor on the metal lathe when machining brass and it lives on top of the drill press. Lucky I was wearing it when the drill bit section went into my forearm, came out ok but bled like a stuck pig. It was during normal business hours so off to my doctor to get it stiched, oh no, you need an X-ray to make sure there's nothing still in there. 3 hours later, local anaesthetic that hurt like hell and 3 stitches. I have mentioned it to a few others, but no-one has seen one fracture like that.
    Rgds,
    Crocy.

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    Hello from the old bloke.
    Sutton own a cutting tool factory in NZ as well as several Aus plants that were previously P & N, Frost and Osborne. Drills can (explode) in operation if excessive feed pressure is used, there is a fault in the flute thru milling instead of grinding, or incorrect point grinding. Web thinning can be overdone reducing torsional rigidity and strength.
    Add that to rubbish steel imports that are laminated and full of scrap we are sometimes left looking at cutting tools with a question mark. This is more obvious when fly cutting a surface or facing in the lathe. That shiny spot that wrecks the tool bit. One of my suppliers of silver solder went east for a look and watched as brass, bronze and copper scrap was thrown in the pot.
    Keep safe during the holidays.
    BC

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    Fortune has shone on me so far in there have been no injuries to self.
    I have had a policy of only buying Aussie drills as
    Every time I have bought a "cheap" drill, I am reminded why it is a bad idea. Last was a few years back, 1/2" clearance drill. Cut well on the first hole, and on the second until it caught as breaking through. Bits of the bit everywhere. $20 down the drain... yes it was hand held.
    BUT it is getting harder as labelling does not inlude coubtry of origin.
    I got caught by Frost being less than optimal a year ago. Bought a small set thinking it was an old Ausie brand in the Sutton stable. Drills used for assembly of a clients stainless steel rail... 4mm drill was soft.. better than brittle. Did not complete first hole for pop rivert. Found the small print saying made in China.
    An old P&N, resharpend previously many times did the rest of the job without too much drama.
    So a good drill bit is quite a work of art, nicely balanced between being hard enough to cut all day, ductile enough to survive the shocks of handheld use and stable enough when it gets hot to keep its properties.
    Where does one find them now? Sutton (and their Frost and P&N brands) by hiding their country of origin, no longer gives me confidence!
    cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by HavinaGo View Post
    BUT it is getting harder as labelling does not inlude coubtry of origin..
    If it’s made in Australia I guarantee it will be written on the packaging. Ditto Germany, Japan, USA, Sweden, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by HavinaGo View Post
    Drills used for assembly of a clients stainless steel...
    I won’t even attempt to drill SS these days with anything other than cobalt bits. In fact, I’d go as far as saying a Chinese made CoHSS drill bit will do a better job in SS than an Australian made plain HSS bit.
    Chris

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