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    Hi, I am a skilled handyman & skilled woodworker, but I am new to lathe work. I intend to buy the H&F TU-200V lathe as I have limited space.
    If any members are interested in replying, I like to hear your Three Best Tips for a Newbie. Peter

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    1. Watch loads of YouTube videos (This Old Tony, Joe Pie, Blondiehacks)

    2. Start with HSS tooling

    3. Use your machine loads and experiment with speeds and feeds to get a feel for what works.

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    Welcome to the forum Peter.

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    Thanks Neevo, I'm a fan of Tony & Clickspring, just discovered Blondiehacks & will have a squiz at Joe. Why HHS over carbide? Peter

    Quote Originally Posted by neevo View Post
    1. Watch loads of YouTube videos (This Old Tony, Joe Pie, Blondiehacks)

    2. Start with HSS tooling

    3. Use your machine loads and experiment with speeds and feeds to get a feel for what works.

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    HSS is way more forgiving than carbide, so I found when I was learning it helped me get the feel without the risk of having to take big cuts that carbide needs. Let alone chipping insets all the time.

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    Just remember that it is a S-M-A-L-L lathe, suitable for model making.

    If that's what your after, then go for it, as it's from Scary Forbes and they have a good warranty system going.

    If you are after something that will do brake disks or drums for your car, then this is not the lathe you require.

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    TU-2004V - Opti-Turn Bench Lathe

    Ø200 x 300mm Turning Capacity - Ø21mm Spindle Bore
    Electronic Variable Speeds 150 ~ 2500rpm
    Overview

    Ideal for the model maker machining miniature parts
    Small in size but packed full of features, this miniature lathe could provide the perfect introduction to those wanting to start metal turning for the first time.

    The machine is small enough to fit into the corner of the workshop and with a weight of 75kg the bed is constructed form cast iron for true rigidity. This model turning capacities is 200mm diameter and 300mm between centres and with a 21mm spindle bore its surprisingly large for a machine of this overall size.

    Features such as the electric variable speed control, manual or powered leadscrew feed, metric & imperial thread cutting and an extensive range of accessories. The lathe comes supplied with 100mm diameter three jaw self-centring chuck, tailstock centre and service tools.

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    See if you can find an experienced turner you can watch and then get him to watch you turn so he (or she) can tell you what you are doing wrong.
    One hour with a pro will save 20 hours of youtube watching time.
    You tube is more useful once you have a bit of experience.

    Avoid practicing only on any old junk steel, at some stage early on buy some free machining steel so you can get some experience turning nicer material.

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    Thanks Bob, every time I have wanted to make something it has been a flange, special bolt, a spacer. I make a lot of woodworking jigs & a lathe will make a difference between bonza & half arsed.

    Quote Originally Posted by mardtrp View Post
    Just remember that it is a S-M-A-L-L lathe, suitable for model making.

    If that's what your after, then go for it, as it's from Scary Forbes and they have a good warranty system going.

    If you are after something that will do brake disks or drums for your car, then this is not the lathe you require.

    ------------------------- Description

    TU-2004V - Opti-Turn Bench Lathe

    Ø200 x 300mm Turning Capacity - Ø21mm Spindle Bore
    Electronic Variable Speeds 150 ~ 2500rpm
    Overview

    Ideal for the model maker machining miniature parts
    Small in size but packed full of features, this miniature lathe could provide the perfect introduction to those wanting to start metal turning for the first time.

    The machine is small enough to fit into the corner of the workshop and with a weight of 75kg the bed is constructed form cast iron for true rigidity. This model turning capacities is 200mm diameter and 300mm between centres and with a 21mm spindle bore its surprisingly large for a machine of this overall size.

    Features such as the electric variable speed control, manual or powered leadscrew feed, metric & imperial thread cutting and an extensive range of accessories. The lathe comes supplied with 100mm diameter three jaw self-centring chuck, tailstock centre and service tools.

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    Thanks Bob, There is a model railway nearby. When we are out of covid, I hope that my handyman, gardening skills will get me a gig on the tools!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by BobL View Post
    See if you can find an experienced turner you can watch and then get him to watch you turn so he (or she) can tell you what you are doing wrong.
    One hour with a pro will save 20 hours of youtube watching time.
    You tube is more useful once you have a bit of experience.

    Avoid practicing only on any old junk steel, at some stage early on buy some free machining steel so you can get some experience turning nicer material.

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    Think you will probably outgrow it pretty quick. Know you have limited space, but well worth trying to make the space work with something bigger.

    Yes HSS, espec for interrupted cuts. As already stated, carbide generally likes it better if you can take heavier cuts.

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    Thanks for the replies! A couple of queries
    1- Where do I get HSS cutting sets to get me started?
    2- Has anyone dealt with Ausee, the Sieg supplier. They have not responded to my emails & seem to be out of most stock?

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    If Aussee is out of stock LPR toolmakers will likely have some HHS lathe bits as they have recently had new shipments of tools and other bits and pieces.

    Understand that that shipments of all manner goods has been slowed down for reasons relating to the bat stew virus.

    I have dealt with Aussee tools and found them to be quite satisfactory. I purchased a 3" bench block from them and was happy with all aspects of the transaction.

    A phone call is much quicker as some seem to delay their Email responses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repete View Post
    Thanks Neevo, I'm a fan of Tony & Clickspring, just discovered Blondiehacks & will have a squiz at Joe. Why HHS over carbide? Peter
    High speed steel even with the necessary tool holder is way cheaper than carbide and stands up well to intermittent cuts.

    Carbide has a tendency to chip at the point while doing intermittent cutting. Each carbide shape needs its own specific tool holder and the cost of multiple shaped units can mount up after a while.

    Also I understand that carbide needs more power to drive the turning and and lot of smaller bench lathes just do not have the required grunt.

    An advantage of HSS is that it can be shaped to the users needs. If no one has mentioned it thus far, a bench grinder with a pair of aluminium oxide wheels say 60 and 100 grit (the white ones) is a necessity for shaping the HSS blanks. one can also sharpen HSS drill bits on this grinder.

    It does not take long to pick up the skill and lots of information is readily available on the how tos on grinding HSS.


    I had a need to fit a circlip on a shaft and the HSS was ground to enable turning a tiny groove to accommodate the width of the circlip. In that respect HSS beat carbide hands down and the reverse end of the HSS tool was still available to use for another purpose.

    I Hope this helps You
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    Thanks Grahame, thanks for the tips. I have a good grinder sitting in a cupboard since I bought a Tormek for tool sharpening. I wish I had started this years ago!!


    Quote Originally Posted by Grahame Collins View Post
    High speed steel even with the necessary tool holder is way cheaper than carbide and stands up well to intermittent cuts.

    Carbide has a tendency to chip at the point while doing intermittent cutting. Each carbide shape needs its own specific tool holder and the cost of multiple shaped units can mount up after a while.

    Also I understand that carbide needs more power to drive the turning and and lot of smaller bench lathes just do not have the required grunt.

    An advantage of HSS is that it can be shaped to the users needs. If no one has mentioned it thus far, a bench grinder with a pair of aluminium oxide wheels say 60 and 100 grit (the white ones) is a necessity for shaping the HSS blanks. one can also sharpen HSS drill bits on this grinder.

    It does not take long to pick up the skill and lots of information is readily available on the how tos on grinding HSS.


    I had a need to fit a circlip on a shaft and the HSS was ground to enable turning a tiny groove to accommodate the width of the circlip. In that respect HSS beat carbide hands down and the reverse end of the HSS tool was still available to use for another purpose.

    I Hope this helps You
    Grahame

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    Hi

    HSS does a great job, but be aware its not all the same. I have collected many used , old pieces of HSS . HSS Comes in many brands , just experiment and see how you go . I have some old vintage pieces marked STELLITE and other vintage brands. I find the edge lasts far longer when some type of machining fluid is used, anything is better than nothing . Good luck This a 4-5mm cut using a little 3/4 hp lathe , back gear engaged
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