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15th Aug 2020, 09:35 PM #1Member
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Lathe motor runs in forward but not reverse
The single phase motor on my AL320G lathe runs just fine in forward but just hums when switched to reverse.
I was parting off in reverse with an inverted parting tool when it jammed. Interestingly, it didn't break the parting blade, just locked up solid. It took me no more than a second to kill the power but after clearing the jam the motor only hums when switched to reverse. I would suspect that something got a fright but I am at a loss to know what. As far as I am aware, two wires only need to be reversed to run a 240v motor in reverse, so that should be a simple switching arrangement. However the forward/reverse switch on the lathe looks anything but simple.
Unfortunately the motor rewinding specialist I have used in the past (and trusted - he was old school and knew it all backwards ) has retired, so I can't run it past him.
Anyone run across this before or have any clues as to the problem?
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15th Aug 2020, 09:45 PM #2Most Valued Member
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Guessing that that seizure caused a faulty wire connection or most likely contact of the lever switch. It was probably crap to begin with and just needed a few more amps to kill it.
Also when using the switch do not go slow on the lever. Do it deliberately and swiftly. A slow moving action on the contacts of switch can burn them out .....so to speak.
You have most likely turned a light switch off and heard it crackle...same thing...burns the contacts. Eventually it fails.
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15th Aug 2020, 09:57 PM #3Most Valued Member
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Hi there, swapping the active and neutral wiring on an induction motor will have no effect on the direction the motor turns. Assuming your lathe has an induction motor of course....
Remember, it's AC so the current is alternating at 50Hz anyway so swapping changes nothing.
Reversible motors (I think) have several windings. This is why your direction selection switch is not as simple as you expected.
Your motor will most likely have 2 start caps. Now im not sure if these motors have two start circuits (one for each direction) but i would check those first off.
Also, another test, try spinning the chuck with the motor humming in reverse and see if you can get it going. Select a lowish speed to reduce load on the motor. If you get it running that would also indicate that something is up with the start circuit, likely the caps.
Simon
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15th Aug 2020, 10:37 PM #4Most Valued Member
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Like Eskimo said, you most likely lunched one or more contacts in the switch.
Thats where I would start looking anyway.
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15th Aug 2020, 11:16 PM #5Senior Member
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If the motor runs in one direction, and not the other it indicates there is nothing wrong with the motor!
The problem you have is that the reversing switch is not making a contact with either the "start" or "run" winding when it is reversed. This is signified by the "humming."
A check of the connections to the reversing switch would be in order. Look for charred or hardened insulation (on the conductors) at the switch, or signs of overheating on the switch's outer case. This indicates a (or several) connection(s) / contact(s) has/ have been hot. A good tug on them (while the lathe is NOT connected to the 240 volt mains!) may reveal the culprit.
I have had brand new Chinese made start / stop switches fail in the first hour or two of use. Charred conductor insulation was obvious. Unfortuneately Quality Control is not a high priority for some Chinese suppliers.
When all else fails, get a new switch.
Hope this helps.
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16th Aug 2020, 11:41 AM #6Senior Member
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You could always try what engineers do when something stops working. Go to the breaker box and give it a sharp thump. Seriously, its what I do when my lathe won't start and sits and hums. In my case, I could replace the breakers, or do what I do and every 6 months to a year when it refuses to start - I give it a thump.
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16th Aug 2020, 08:01 PM #7Member
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Thanks for all the replies and suggestions. I have checked all the connections to the forward/reverse switch. They were all good with no sign of overheating. I stripped all the insulation off the forked connector ends to the switch to check that there were no broken or fried wires. All good. (replaced the insulation stripped off with heat shrink). The forward/reverse switch is a sealed unit, you can't get into it, so if there are fried contacts inside, then it's a new switch. I will check with Hairy Forbes tomorrow to see if they can supply a replacement. I also checked all the connections at the motor input and all were good.
simonl, it is a 2 cap motor and I did as you suggested and turned the chuck while it was just humming in reverse, it ran, but very slowly. I'd assume that this indicates that it's obviously not getting the starting input it needs to get up to run speed. I had previously visually inspected the caps and both looked ok. No sign or smell of anything untoward. I'm inclined to try the switch first, but if that doesn't fix the problem then the caps are the next on the list.
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16th Aug 2020, 08:32 PM #8Senior Member
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There is an old thread regarding an AL320G only running in reverse and that mentions the forward and reverse switching being done via relays so a faulty contact also be in the reverse relay?
https://metalworkforums.com/f65/t199137
I don't have any first hand AL320G experience so don't know what sort of relays they have but might be worth a look?
Ray
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Before I spent any money on a new switch I would swap the forward and reverse wires. Once swapped the motor should run in reverse in the forward selection and visa versa. If the fault changes the switch is at fault. If the fault remains the same the wires or motor is at fault.
Steve
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16th Aug 2020, 09:15 PM #10Senior Member
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Surely you have an ohmmeter? you can check the switch with that. Save you buying something on spec.
I have a hafco lathe as well. Hafco use screw on wire connectors, which in my opinion are complete crap. They basically twist two wires together, and wind on one of these covers to cover the connection. https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/180x-Ele...c4c774b75ee57e The wires are still just connected, its not welded like in wirewound. Its bound to cause problems with corrosion eventually. I unscrewed mine, soldered the wires and screwed it back on so it was insulated. Its now been two years since I had to thump anything.
If you are going to look at this be careful. They used them to connect on the capacitors (which is why you have problems starting) The issue being you will come across up to 380V on those capacitors, for days after you switch it off at the mains. I'd bet good money thats your problem. Clean those connections. Far more likely than the switch.
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17th Aug 2020, 12:07 AM #13Senior Member
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Gavin, yes that was my mistake going by the thread title and not reading the details closely enough.
I see that H&F have the AL320G manual online and the circuit diagram (as rough as it is) shows only an On/Off switch and a reversing switch and no separate relays.
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