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    Default Moving a 350 kg Milling machine onto a base

    Well I survived installing the new lathe after considerable good advice from this forum and it works - but the operator needs some more practice - and this hopefully will come with the rain !!!
    I am in the final stages of buying a milling machine - and on the advice from those wiser than me - and as I have the space am looking at a mid size machine -
    a Hare and Forbes HM 46 B
    The problem is similar to that with the lathe in that its got to go inside a garage - ceiling height is not bad at 2.5 metres - but it weights around 350 kg
    Was looking at breaking it down - but even then the bits weigh around 100kg apiece and this all has to go onto a stand
    With the lathe I rented an engine hoist from Kennards and with this was able to shift the lather onto its stand ok - but dont think its big enough for this
    Am looking to see it there are any gantry type cranes with a chain block that I could use - but would appreciate any advice from anyone who has been through this process themselves
    Any advice on how best to lift - ie anchor points also appreciated
    Thanks

    Rumble

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    I've got a 2.5m ceiling as well and got my HM52 Mill in there with a 2 ton engine crane. I separated the mill head with the ram and installed it once the mill was in place.
    A HM46 should be a breeze complete.
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    My geared head drill weighs about the same and I moved that with a 2 tonne engine crane. With 2.4m ceiling height it was close. Need some short slings.

    Tony

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    Kennards also hire portable gantries and chain blocks. However you would have to check to see that its not too tall for inside your garage.
    peter

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    I would think pretty much any engine lift would be rated at 500kg minimum, even mostly extended you'll be fine.

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    Drill and tap a couple of holes in the top of the column casting for eye bolts. Put a piece of solid bar through the eye bolts to lift from.

    That is the least sketchy way I can think of to move an RF 45/46 with an engine crane. I used a gantry and two small chain blocks to put mine in position with 2.5m ceilings. It was a cluster... there wasn’t enough headroom, the sling angles were waaaayyy outside desirable and it was just generally a good example of not what to do (particularly given I hold a riggers ticket). I will be drilling the top of the casting when I move mine next.

    Oh and make sure your crane is good for 500kg at full stick, not max when it’s short hooked.

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    I see most engine cranes sold these days at H&F, Super cheap, Repco etc are only rated at 1250kg max close in.
    You need to look harder for a heavier duty version of the 2 ton like mine with 4mm steel box section.
    I think Simon has the 3 ton one, which would be nice, but a lot heavier again.

    You can always take the head off, grab a piece of paper and draw where the wiring goes, also take a few pictures.
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    I just used an engine crane to do mine. Was a bit touch and go with the height, but lifting capacity was no issue at all.

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    I broke mine down to get it off the trailer and then rebuilt it on the stand.

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    Use the floor crane, swing head to Horizontal, sling between head and column.

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    Works but not generally considered good practice to sling off around a mobile joint.

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    Default Moving a Mill

    Thanks to all the input
    Have a friend who is loaning me a full 1 tonne engine hoist - so can take my time and
    Best way from another expert is to sling around the swivel head interface - with it horizonal as commented by another on the forum

    Rumble

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    Default Engine hoists

    With the talk about lifting turret mill heads and using H & F style engine hoists I'm reminded about lifting mine in to position. What I find annoying with these hoists are the angled feet. At the end they're too wide to go under the front of a car but when you need to get close to something they're too narrow. I now have the best of both worlds with a simple modification. The black bits are what I made but the photo's should tell the story better than I could explain.


    My Lagun FTV-4 top section weighs well over 300kg and because of the modification assembly was a breeze.SAM_2189.jpgSAM_2190.jpgSAM_2191.jpgDSCN0348.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snapey View Post
    With the talk about lifting turret mill heads and using H & F style engine hoists I'm reminded about lifting mine in to position. What I find annoying with these hoists are the angled feet. At the end they're too wide to go under the front of a car but when you need to get close to something they're too narrow. I now have the best of both worlds with a simple modification. The black bits are what I made but the photo's should tell the story better than I could explain.

    My Lagun FTV-4 top section weighs well over 300kg and because of the modification assembly was a breeze.

    Now THAT is a good idea....I struggled with the angled arms just last week.
    Looks like I have ANOTHER job to do once the new shed it up and paid for....
    thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snapey View Post
    With the talk about lifting turret mill heads and using H & F style engine hoists I'm reminded about lifting mine in to position. What I find annoying with these hoists are the angled feet. At the end they're too wide to go under the front of a car but when you need to get close to something they're too narrow. I now have the best of both worlds with a simple modification. The black bits are what I made but the photo's should tell the story better than I could explain.


    My Lagun FTV-4 top section weighs well over 300kg and because of the modification assembly was a breeze.SAM_2189.jpgSAM_2190.jpgSAM_2191.jpgDSCN0348.jpg
    Good job.

    Nice mill too btw.

    Simon
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