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  1. #1
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    Default Not happy Jan..... :-(

    I bought a "not cheap" adjustable square a few years ago, and recently discovered that the blade slightly protrudes past the stock, making it useless for for measuring inside squares.

    Try square 1.jpg

    After looking at it for a while it seemed that the blade pivoted on a pin, and the two adjusting screws pushed against the blade, either side of the pivot pin.

    Try square 2.jpg

    This theory proved to be incorrect, and after some light tapping with a pin punch, I have done some damage and achieved nothing else.
    I am hoping that it is only cosmetic damage at this stage, and am left wondering just how it really operates, and how to get it apart without further damage.

    Try square 3.jpg

    EDIT: Yes, I loosened the adjusting screws before trying to tap the pin out.

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    Can you drill the rivets out and make your own?

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    As that square is made in NSW near the Hunter Valley and you are in WA I'd say the timber has shrunk with the change in RH. I have two of those squares and on both the blade is very slightly below the back of the square.
    I think the pin is a tight press fit but with your timber shrinking around it its much tighter.
    Just lap the blade flush.

    OK I just pulled mine apart. There is a notch in the pin. You have to line the blade up properly before the pin will come out. You can also adjust the position of the blade by the depth of the notch in all directions
    20200405_190129.jpg

    I just noticed yours is a crown brand. Mine are Colen Clentons. They may be different but I'm pretty sure Crown copied the CCs
    Built: a Bench,a Desk,an Archery Display,

    Those were the droids I was looking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pipeclay View Post
    Can you drill the rivets out and make your own?
    Rivets? Not sure at this stage that it is a rivet, but if it is, then drilling might be an option, although if it sarts to rotate, drilling wont work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NCArcher View Post
    As that square is made in NSW near the Hunter Valley and you are in WA I'd say the timber has shrunk with the change in RH. I have two of those squares and on both the blade is very slightly below the back of the square.
    I think the pin is a tight press fit but with your timber shrinking around it its much tighter.
    Just lap the blade flush.

    OK I just pulled mine apart. There is a notch in the pin. You have to line the blade up properly before the pin will come out. You can also adjust the position of the blade by the depth of the notch in all directions
    20200405_190129.jpg

    I just noticed yours is a crown brand. Mine are Colen Clentons. They may be different but I'm pretty sure Crown copied the CCs
    Thanks for that, did you remove the adjuster screws, or just slacken them?
    The other thing is, I cant uderstand why the pin has broken the wood away on one side. If the blade was snared by the recess in the pin, it shouldn't have moved far enough to do that.
    I'll try again tomorrow.

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    I completely removed the adjuster screws and the connecting rods.
    Built: a Bench,a Desk,an Archery Display,

    Those were the droids I was looking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NCArcher View Post
    I completely removed the adjuster screws and the connecting rods.
    It seems that mine is built differently. I tried again to punch it out, this time the other way, and just a couple of light taps and the flush side sunk into the hole, and the other side stuck out a bit, enough to see that it is like a clout head nail.
    I tried screwing it, but both sides rotate.
    Short of drilling it out and making a pin like yours has, I am lost for ideas.

    Try square 4.jpg

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    For the benefit of anyone else with a "Crown Tools" Sheffield England square like mine, the blade is held in with a staked rivet.
    Given the cost of this tool, the quality of the unseen work was appalling.
    When the blade was drilled, it raised sharp edges on both sides, so they were left there and the blade forced into the slot in the wood, jagged edges and all.
    The brass strips attached to the stock were not even parallel to each other
    Typical bl00dy Poms, make it as cheap as possible, and as un-servicable as possible.

    The Colen Clenton version leaves this thing for dead, and only a few dollars dearer.

    Now I am on the hunt for a small brass saw handle screw set, and a first look is not looking promising.

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    Hi Phill, Guys,

    Yes we can make crap too !

    A monkey can't make good stuff ! Some people have an Idea that making stuff and selling it will make them a fortune, completely oblivious to the fact that it has to be good stuff, properly made and that the customer has to be happy with it. I don't think that the blade was deliberately left burred, just that they didn't have the nous to do otherwise.
    Best Regards:
    Baron J.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaronJ View Post
    Hi Phill, Guys,

    Yes we can make crap too !

    A monkey can't make good stuff ! Some people have an Idea that making stuff and selling it will make them a fortune, completely oblivious to the fact that it has to be good stuff, properly made and that the customer has to be happy with it. I don't think that the blade was deliberately left burred, just that they didn't have the nous to do otherwise.
    Indeed John, there has been some great stuff out of Britain, but this, and anything with a Leyland badge just isn't.

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    Default Chicago Screws

    If you have a lathe you can make them fairly easily.

    OR

    Look for "Binding Posts" or "Chicago Screws" on the web;



    Chicago Screws : Buy Online

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacPuddock View Post
    ......... "Binding Posts" or "Chicago Screws"
    Thank you. I think I have found a likely candidate.

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