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9th Sep 2019, 04:10 PM #1Senior Member
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Global wm20 mill
Whilst still looking for a vertical mill I stumbled on these MILL/MACH GLOBAL WM20 1PH, Turret Mills - Engineering Tooling Supplies and can’t seem to find my reference to them on the forum. Just wondering if anyone has first hand experience with this machine? I guess I am assuming it is a case of cheap chinese machine lottery?
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9th Sep 2019, 04:53 PM #2
Hi Danger Mouse,
Have a look at "Cronos" and "Warco" in the UK. Basically a mini Bridgeport clone.
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I believe Grizzly in the USA do a version as well.Best Regards:
Baron J.
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9th Sep 2019, 07:57 PM #3Member
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So you reckon it might be el-cheapo Chinese junk, think you might be surprised to find out it's a FAR better proposition than buying a worn out bit of yank crud.
Go check out a mill of about the equivalent size at Scary Forbes, you might then find out it's a pretty good deal.
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9th Sep 2019, 11:05 PM #4Senior Member
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Thanks mardtrp
I guess I have assumed the worst and hoping someone would chime in and offer some experience. I’ve not had the chance to look at one but just may be able to get there tomorrow to have a look. For someone who hasn’t owned a mill before do you have some suggestions on what particularly to look for? I guess my approach is a general look over the entire machine for fit and finish, machining marks on bearing surfaces, looseness in gibs, play in handles that drive lead screws are the kind of things I have in mind but I am very much new to mills.
It sounds like they may well be worth further investigation - have you had any direct experience with them?
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9th Sep 2019, 11:53 PM #5Most Valued Member
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If they have one on the floor, I would want to:
- Work it through all spindle speeds
- Inspect the underneath of the X axis ways and the top of the Y axis, if they are 'scraped' check the depth with your thumbnail, on a lot of chinese machines the scraping or flaking will be feelable with your thumbnail catching, this is way way way too deep.
- get them to show you the powered quill downfeed in action. (if you havent used a bridgeport clone before there are some herbs and spices in engaging this, but get them to show you all three downfeed speeds, listen for gronky noises.
- I would take a DTI and inspect spindle taper runout.
If that mill looks even half decent its a very good price.
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10th Sep 2019, 12:32 AM #6Diamond Member
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Some quick thoughts.
The R-8 taper is widely used in the US mainly on Bridgeports, but its not common in Australia. If I had a choice I would be looking for an NT30 taper.
Top speed is only 1480 RPM
No DRO
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10th Sep 2019, 08:36 AM #7Most Valued Member
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I think they have a typo and have put the motor rpm? Even the worst clone should have Bridgeport speeds on 3000 ish rpm
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10th Sep 2019, 06:34 PM #8Senior Member
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Unfortunately they didn’t have one in stock to take a look at.
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10th Sep 2019, 07:55 PM #9Most Valued Member
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Also says in the features that "Can be fitted with power feed to table" Does that mean it's an extra?
As mentioned previously the speed range of 254 - 1480 is a bit lacking if those figures are true.
I got my turret mill for $1200 with a sony magna scale DRO, universal dividing head and a 200mm riser block. I bought it sight unseen and travelled interstate to pick it up and I was a little disappointed at the condition of the ways when I arrived. However, I have also been equally amazed at how capable it is even with the wear.
OK so it needed some work but if you keep your eyes peeled you will find a mill in better condition than mine for around the $3K mark.
Then again, if you really want one now and can't be bothered looking at S/H then I guess it's worth a look. For $5K I wouldn't purchase it without looking at a sample first.
SimonGirl, I don't wanna know about your mild-mannered alter ego or anything like that." I mean, you tell me you're, uh, super-mega-ultra-lightning babe? That's all right with me. I'm good. I'm good.
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10th Sep 2019, 08:06 PM #10
Hi Guys,
I would want to have power feed to the table, much better than spending all day cranking handles particularly if your workpiece is a long one.
The lack of a DRO is disappointing, but that is something that you can retrofit at a later date.Best Regards:
Baron J.
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10th Sep 2019, 08:54 PM #11Senior Member
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11th Sep 2019, 08:54 AM #12Most Valued Member
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That's a real shame that they expect you to outlay the money without first looking at it. It's a big ask.
Yea, problem with S/H machinery is that when you're ready to buy there's none around. When you you don't have the cash or you're too busy to look, one comes up!
I drove overnight to Sydney to pick my mill up. I hired a Bunnings trailer and slept in a park with my swag on the foothills of the Blue mountains. I picked it up the next day then drove home all the next night.
Did a similar thing with my surface grinder. The wife thought I was crazy at first, now after doing it twice it's considered "normal behaviour" for me!
It was inconvenient to say the least but I got two machines at reasonable price that I otherwise would not have. There's also the memory or the roadtrip too!
SimonGirl, I don't wanna know about your mild-mannered alter ego or anything like that." I mean, you tell me you're, uh, super-mega-ultra-lightning babe? That's all right with me. I'm good. I'm good.
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20th Sep 2019, 07:53 PM #13Member
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I'd ask them if and when they are likely to get one in.
I agree with everyone here about trying it out before committing to a purchase, with one exception! I'd find out where its made, if its China, then everything everyone has said applies, if, however (by some stroke of luck), its made in Taiwan then I wouldn't think twice about purchasing it as the fit and finish is "considerably" better than the stuff out of China. My gut feeling is that it's most likely Chinese at that price but doesn't hurt to inquire!
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