Thread: Unsafe metal procedures you have seen online.

Originally Posted by Michael G

The one I commonly see is welding done without long sleeves and/or gloves. It's not really a good practice to get into.

Michael

Michael I'll admit to far worse. Built a bird aviary but had only tacked the door & hinge to frame, went in for lunch. Oldest son about 10 who it was built for was out soon after getting it ready for the birds. Door came off. Me only wearing shorts n t shirt no footwear, ventured out for 2 welds. Put new rod in lead was twisted it flung round hitting me right chest, yes welder on at 60 amps. Son reckoned I did the best jig he'd ever seen.
Prior lunch full safety gear was worn.

One matter to consider here is 40 years ago although those of us who went through Tech would have been pounded with safety guide lines. This however back at work was often due to long term practices without incident was sidelined.

In recent years due to OH&S we see some excellent changes, sadly its gone deyond sensibility in getting the job done.

Shortcuts are still out there, as I get older I try not get bolder but value digits etc etc even more.

Trying to explain to a text book OH&S fanatic that you can't spend $500k on a roll over jig for 2 upside down welds for a 40ft coach hypothetical of course.

Originally Posted by BobL

The greatest risk for any DIYer is going to be their weekly drive to the hardware and after that is the humble ladder.

It was stupidity using a ladder that put me in hospital with a severely broken elbow and a cracked pelvic girdle. Took 3 reasonably long operations to repair the elbow joint as much as possible, followed by nearly a year of physiotherapy to get me back to approx 60% of the function I had previously. Plus almost cost me my seagoing career.

One of the reasons I welded full pipe lifelines on my boat hull as early as feasible during the build.

PDW

Originally Posted by mcostello

2 McDonalds coffee seems just as hot as it always was, too hot for Me. The point being missed here is that 180+ people had got burnt from the coffee. McD's did not take the hint. The only way to change an unsafe condition is sometimes to sue it. Money is the only thing business cares about. Sad it's that way.

I think they became liable since they are selling coffee to people in their cars. If people were buying coffee at a counter, then walking away into a car it would be a different situation. But your point is valid in that people should have been intelligent enough to not blame someone else when they spilt a hot liquid on themselves through entirely their own actions. Sadly a fair proportion of the population these days can not see danger any more.

Originally Posted by BobL

The greatest risk for any DIYer is going to be their weekly drive to the hardware and after that is the humble ladder.

Don't you mean daily drive Bob?

Originally Posted by jack620

Don't you mean daily drive Bob?

Yeah, just think of the average DIY'er.

Originally Posted by .RC.

I think they became liable since they are selling coffee to people in their cars. If people were buying coffee at a counter, then walking away into a car it would be a different situation. But your point is valid in that people should have been intelligent enough to not blame someone else when they spilt a hot liquid on themselves through entirely their own actions. Sadly a fair proportion of the population these days can not see danger any more.

I think the McD's coffee is a bit of a corner case. They were knowingly selling coffee that was at a high enough temperature to cause severe burns, to people who were drinking it in a moving vehicle. That was a recipe for accidents and there were lots of them.

Flip side the woman who held a scalding hot drink between the tops of her thighs was an idiot.

PDW

Supposedly pictures were shown on the Internet. I have seen them. Don't know if they were the correct persons as no face shown. The pictures were horrendous and would curtail a love life for a LLOONNGG time if not the rest of Ones life. I was not prepared for the scope of the damage and would not look again if I had the chance. No warning was given.

Usafe pocedures online, too many typos from phone users maybe?

Funny with the mention of 9" grinders over the page, a lot of sites down here, during all these endless induction courses you endure, they say they would frog march you off the premises if you had one in your possession, let alone using one!

Not one to watch redneck videos all that much, but there should be a fair few sobering shots of cutting discs embedded in various people's faces and body parts out there, if you're into gore.

Originally Posted by Hunch

...there should be a fair few sobering shots of cutting discs embedded in various people's faces and body parts out there..

I'm sure there are. Funny thing is, the one time I was struck by pieces of a 9" metal cutting disc that had shattered, the guard was fitted to the angle grinder. Not that I'm advocating removing the guard. You'd have to be mad to do that.

Originally Posted by Hunch

Funny with the mention of 9" grinders over the page, a lot of sites down here, during all these endless induction courses you endure, they say they would frog march you off the premises if you had one in your possession, let alone using one!

I know the ADF and most other Fed Govt sites won't allow 9" grinders on site (for a couple of years now) due to safety concerns (generally the users competence) and the last manufacturing site I was at was the same for all their Aust/Asian sites (maybe not PNG).

I see plenty of unsafe work practices on YouTube that wouldn't cut it on a worksite. I've seen plenty of unsafe work practices on worksites that I'd never do at home or advise anyone else to do.

If your at home, it's up to you what you do. If your on site, it's up to the company, the worksite itself, you and your workmates to work safely or appropriately.

My last two worksites (Bunnings and Komatsu) where really big on OHS and probably needed to be.

Ben.

Originally Posted by Hunch

Funny with the mention of 9" grinders over the page, a lot of sites down here, during all these endless induction courses you endure, they say they would frog march you off the premises if you had one in your possession, let alone using one!

Not one to watch redneck videos all that much, but there should be a fair few sobering shots of cutting discs embedded in various people's faces and body parts out there, if you're into gore.

After the LNG export terminal build finished at Gladstone, they had auction after auction of stuff.

They had box after box after box, thousands and thousands of 5" dewalt angle grinders. You could buy a pallet sized box full of them for $100. Not a single larger angle grinder was seen. I got a couple off a reseller for $15 each. They are OK, but not like my Metabo 9".

Originally Posted by .RC.

After the LNG export terminal build finished at Gladstone, they had auction after auction of stuff.

They had box after box after box, thousands and thousands of 5" dewalt angle grinders. You could buy a pallet sized box full of them for $100. Not a single larger angle grinder was seen. I got a couple off a reseller for $15 each. They are OK, but not like my Metabo 9".

I recently used my 9" grinder to cut some old 4000 psi compressed air cylinders into pieces. Think 10mm wall thickness or more.

That job reminded me why I hated my 9" grinder. It's a necessary tool, but only for when a smaller grinder really won't do.

In hindsight I should have just drilled a hole and used the plasma cutter. I'm going to machine the ends square on the HBM anyway.

PDW

During a stock take at the mens shed it was found we had 5 9" grinders, none with guards and a couple hand no other handles either. I suggested they be disposed of but they were still there 12 months later. I also wanted a no metal bodied power tool policy (the ones we had were all pretty ancient) be kept at the shed but nothing happened about that either.

Originally Posted by BobL

During a stock take at the mens shed it was found we had 5 9" grinders, none with guards and a couple hand no other handles either. I suggested they be disposed of but they were still there 12 months later. I also wanted a no metal bodied power tool policy (the ones we had were all pretty ancient) be kept at the shed but nothing happened about that either.

A good pair of cable cutters on a quiet day would have helped sort that problem.....

PDW