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    Default New tool: Jones and Shipman 540 surface grinder. Any information welcome!

    A few weeks ago I stumbled over this surface grinder.
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    I was looking for a surface grinder, not to big and capable of producing a quality of work fit for making tools. I asked for opinions about the grinder I had found here: //metalworkforums.com/f65/t2011...urface-grinder
    The opinions I got were encouraging, so I went to take a look and brought money and a trailer just in case....
    It turned out the machine was used for grinding punches for a punching machine, and not for any production work. When the punching machine was sold two years ago the grinder just stood idle. As far as I could see it was dirty, but had no signs of abuse. A power cord was connected and the machine ran without any strange noises. Everything I could check that needed oil was oily.
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    It also has a electric automatic oiler that still contained oil, so should have been in use when the machine was last used. I decided to buy the machine and it was loaded onto the trailer. It appears the hydraulic oil tank is not really closed (I haven't dug it up to take a look yet), because The machine lost a lot of the hydraulic oil on the way home. (Thanks again to the nice man on the parking lot that gave me a bunch of rags to clean the mess up before it ran out of the trailer!)
    I unloaded the machine and put it in my (almost ready) new shop. I will soon be able to start cleaning the machine. I don't expect any other major work, except putting in new oil.
    - anything else I should do before starting to use the machine?
    Since this is my first surface grinder, and I haven't used one before either, this is going to be a learning experience.
    Unfortunately I can't find a manual on the net, which surprised me because it appears a lot of people have this machine in their shop.
    - Any one who could share a copy of the manual with me?
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    The cover of the wheel enclosure is missing. the remnants of some transparent and utterly destroyed plastic one where present, but I don't think that is the way to go. On pictures of other machines I can see several styles where used on this machine. The one I need appears to be a flat piece of steel with two holes for attaching. I think I will try to replicate one with adjustable parts on the front and back of the wheel I have seen a (crappy) picture of:
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    - If anyone can show a few pictures of how the "comparable" guard on their J&S looks,I would really appreciate it.
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    The machine was labeled with the oil they used in it: Mobil vacuoline 1405. I hope that is a currently available type.
    - Does anyone know how much oil I need to fill the tank up?
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    The machine is equipped with a diaform attachment. The previous owner didn't know what it was, but I found out it is used to dress a form to the wheel by tracing a pattern scale 10:1. It appears to be complete and functional, it even has a diamond dresser attached.
    - does anyone have a manual or can anyone explain how this contraption work? It is not just a pantograph but has several dials, presumably to "tune" the setup?
    - can it also be used do dress the wheel flat and/or the side square to the table?
    The magnet appears to be smaller than the maximum size the machine can handle, but I have a nice eclipse 6"x18" somewhere, which might be a more suitable size if I read the info on the machine right
    - is a mechanical magnetic chuck ok, or should I look for an electro magnetic one? what are the pro's and cons of both?
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    on the back of the machine is this little container. It seems to be there to catch whatever comes out of the tube it hangs on. Does anyone have any idea of its function?
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    the feet were also present
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    There was also a little vice included. It appears to be used for dressing the stone....
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    A spanner for changing the grinding wheel
    - And possibly some clamping blocks for on the chuck??
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    A broken grinding wheel and a squeegee for wiping the chuck.
    - And I guess some unrelated bolts
    - Any idea what the thing on the left is?
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    - two more unknown additions. Possibly fixtures for the punches they used to grind?

    I am sure I will have lots more questions once I get started on this machine (size of wheels, type of wheels what does a fence for the chuck look like etc. etc. comes to mind )

    O yea, I think I paid a good price for this all. Fancy a guess? I'll give you a hint: it was less then €1000,-

    Peter

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    You did well!
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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodBee2 View Post
    A few weeks ago I stumbled over this surface grinder. Peter
    Peter, you'll have to be more careful, how could you stumble over a big machine like that?? Nice find by the way.
    Kryn
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    Quote Originally Posted by KBs PensNmore View Post
    Peter, you'll have to be more careful, how could you stumble over a big machine like that?? Nice find by the way.
    Kryn
    Kryn,
    I am sure it had something to do with me looking over my shoulder if someone else was showing interest too New tool: Jones and Shipman 540 surface grinder. Any information welcome!
    Peter

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    Quote Originally Posted by morrisman View Post
    a few scans
    Thanks very much! That gives me a starting point to get the machine operational.
    Peter

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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodBee2 View Post
    The machine was labeled with the oil they used in it: Mobil vacuoline 1405. I hope that is a currently available type.
    - Does anyone know how much oil I need to fill the tank up?
    Vacuoline 1405 is just an ISO32 slideway oil. You will need 20 litres.
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