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    Default S20 buttress thread

    Hi every one I was planning on cutting a
    S20 buttress thread to make some draw bar adaptors .
    Is there any thing out of the ordinary butting buttress treads?
    I was wondering how to grind the tread form
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    Hello Aaron,

    A quick look online suggests that Deckel's S20 buttress thread shares the same geometry as Schaublin's W20 thread, 45/5 degrees. I'm pretty sure Pete F has cut some W20 sized threads to suit his Aciera. If he doesn't comment here you might try sending him a PM. I wouldn't mind having a crack at a W20 myself so it will be interesting to hear how you get on.

    This may be of interest if you haven't already chanced upon it - Deckel FP1 Draw Bar Question - Page 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anorak Bob View Post
    Hello Aaron,

    A quick look online suggests that Deckel's S20 buttress thread shares the same geometry as Schaublin's W20 thread, 45/5 degrees. I'm pretty sure Pete F has cut some W20 sized threads to suit his Aciera. If he doesn't comment here you might try sending him a PM. I wouldn't mind having a crack at a W20 myself so it will be interesting to hear how you get on.

    This may be of interest if you haven't already chanced upon it - Deckel FP1 Draw Bar Question - Page 2

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    Hi bob. How are you.??
    Thanks for the tip. I need to get on with this job . Otherwise my choice of tooling is limited to my imperial Deckel
    Collets. I'm not sure what 45/5 means but I'm guessing the thread angle


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    I'm well thank you Aaron. It is good to hear from you again.

    The 45/5 is the angle . Here is an image posted by Paul Churchill on PM showing the S20 profile along with a page lifted from Schaublin's collet catalogue.

    Drawbar Thread.jpgCapture.JPG


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    Quote Originally Posted by Anorak Bob View Post
    I'm well thank you Aaron. It is good to hear from you again.

    The 45/5 is the angle . Here is an image posted by Paul Churchill on PM showing the S20 profile along with a page lifted from Schaublin's collet catalogue.

    Drawbar Thread.jpgCapture.JPG


    Bob.
    Em there is some interesting info there.
    So it seems like 45deg - a little bit.
    I'm not sure how to measure that or to grind a accurate angle. For V threads I use a thread form gauge to help grind the tool .
    I'll have a go maybe I'll use the protractor from my combanation square.


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    Quote Originally Posted by azzrock View Post
    Em there is some interesting info there.
    So it seems like 45deg - a little bit.
    I'm not sure how to measure that or to grind a accurate angle. For V threads I use a thread form gauge to help grind the tool .
    I'll have a go maybe I'll use the protractor from my combanation square.


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    I cheated and got one of these.

    19.7 x 1.666 SV20 Die for W20 Schaublin Collets | eBay

    Although the one I got was cheaper than the one linked to above, I think I found it on aliexpress?

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    grouse ray. ill have a look. plus i didnt think of that.
    ill have a look on aliexpress.
    i receintly got a few mt 4 collets from aliexpres

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    Quote Originally Posted by RayG View Post
    I cheated and got one of these.

    19.7 x 1.666 SV20 Die for W20 Schaublin Collets | eBay

    Although the one I got was cheaper than the one linked to above, I think I found it on aliexpress?
    W20? What's going on Ray, the 135 accommodates B32 collets so I'm wondering if there's now a 102 in Shepparton??

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    I'm guessing that it would really pay to make sure that you had the angles the right way around, I could imagine someone being pretty cheesed off if his intended thread was 5/45, instead of the 45/5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ropetangler View Post
    I'm guessing that it would really pay to make sure that you had the angles the right way around, I could imagine someone being pretty cheesed off if his intended thread was 5/45, instead of the 45/5
    dont worry ill tripple check.i have a feeling i have to grind a 45 deg tool and off set the compound 5deg.
    im going to do some googling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azzrock View Post
    dont worry ill tripple check.i have a feeling i have to grind a 45 deg tool and off set the compound 5deg.
    im going to do some googling.
    It appears to me that the thread form is 50 degrees. 45 deg + 5 deg offset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anorak Bob View Post
    W20? What's going on Ray, the 135 accommodates B32 collets so I'm wondering if there's now a 102 in Shepparton??

    BT

    I wish. No, this is for the Schaffner Cylindrical Grinder, I got a straight shank ER32 collet chuck, with the intention of making it into a W20 adaptor, I have all the bits needed but haven't got around to doing it yet.

    The general plan it to grind the shank between centers to the right taper, then anneal just the part where the thread is to be cut. If it works then the run out should be acceptable ( fingers crossed ).

    PS. So, no 102, but there is a Lorch LAS that has crept in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldneweng View Post
    It appears to me that the thread form is 50 degrees. 45 deg + 5 deg offset.

    Dean

    45 deg plus 4 thou . i think sort of

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    Quote Originally Posted by RayG View Post
    I wish. No, this is for the Schaffner Cylindrical Grinder, I got a straight shank ER32 collet chuck, with the intention of making it into a W20 adaptor, I have all the bits needed but haven't got around to doing it yet.

    The general plan it to grind the shank between centers to the right taper, then anneal just the part where the thread is to be cut. If it works then the run out should be acceptable ( fingers crossed ).

    PS. So, no 102, but there is a Lorch LAS that has crept in.
    Ah ha! I remember the Schaffner now Ray along with Matthew's Lorch. If your intention was to only hold short work pieces in the ER chuck an alternative ( but I guess water under the bridge ) to the W20's buttress thread could have been a P20 style arbor. Identical taper and external dimensions to that of the W20 but with an internal M12 drawbar thread.

    The 13 came with a set of imperial P20s. My photos have disappeared so here is one from Niels Machines Niels Machines - Niels Machines

    sold-schaublin-13-parts-and-accessories.jpg

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    Hi Aaron,
    I had to cut an S20x2 thread when I was modifying the shank on my boring head and I just used the original male thread as a guide to grind the tool. I first ground the 45 degree flank then used a loupe to check the form against the original thread to get the 5 degree as close as possible. An S20x2 thread is pretty coarse so getting a good match was not that difficult. If you grind the 45 degree flank relative to the side of the blank then setup in the lathe is nice and simple too. Because most of the cutting is done by the 45 degree flank you just plunge cut the thread.
    Cheers,
    Greg.

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