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    Default Galvanised handles for a tray

    Hi.

    Visiting from the Woodworker Forum.

    I have started making some trays using leather handles but want to do some with galvanised handles. They are going on the top sides of the tray. handles would be 14mm wide. Searched high and low through ebay etc and found nothing that suits.

    Came across what I am looking for. Prefer to have two screw holes but not essential.

    Make A Wine Barrel Inspired Tray

    I live in Golden Grove , South Australia so can someone suggest where I could get something like this or have it made. Would probably start with 10 sets.

    Thanks
    Chris

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    Nice looking trays. I have worked in the wine industry and have a pile of headboards about 1800mm high. Maybe I should make some. I would go with black handles or stainless, but that is just my opinion. In the wine industry galv is associated with everyday working. For something a bit different (display) black paint/powdercoat or wood is used. I like the contrast of the black paint.

    Dean

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    Hi Chris

    Have you checked with your local hardware / rural supplies mob or even a metal supplier ? (MetalCorp & Metals R Us where I am has hinges, post caps, ect and may have something like what you are after, I have not checked tho)

    Those handles while great for the antique approach I'm sure you are aiming for are not as desired for reno's ect so would explain why Ebay ect is coming up short. How critical are your sizes ? They are not likely to have much of a range if they have some.

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    Hi Chris,
    PM sent.
    Kryn
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    Thanks MasterSpoon, have tried local hardware, not rural supplies. I will ask at a metal supplier here in Adelaide if I can't get one that suits my specific requirements eg width and clearance height for the handle.

    Cheers
    Chris

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    Thanks Dean. Reason I like galv because it is synonomous with barrels and a lot of my trays will be wine themed. Could also spray them with a dark hammered look to make them look old.

    Cheers
    Chris

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    Kryn has offered assistance in this matter which is much appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisinoz View Post
    Thanks Dean. Reason I like galv because it is synonomous with barrels and a lot of my trays will be wine themed. Could also spray them with a dark hammered look to make them look old.

    Cheers
    Chris
    You are right, but when you have walked past 10,000 barrels with galv hoops and sitting on galv cradles on a daily basis it becomes a bit so so.

    Like I said it was just my opinion.

    How do you keep the headboards flat. Do you pull them apart and glue them? For those who don't know headboards from barrels are sealed with the leaf part of reeds. The stuff growing in the creek. The boards are pinned together with nails with points on each end.

    Dean

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldneweng View Post
    For those who don't know headboards from barrels are sealed with the leaf part of reeds. The stuff growing in the creek. The boards are pinned together with nails with points on each end.
    Maybe for large barrels? We use 225 litre barriques and the ends are slotted together with tongue and groove profiles with no seal or fasteners at all. When the staves are removed, they just fall apart.

    I've recently had a go at doing something with old barrels, as it seems a waste to just burn them. For my first attempt I just used some bulked-up epoxy to glue the joints and fill the gaps (the outside edges of the joins are tight, but the inside edges have quite a gap, I assume to ensure the wood seals in one place). I then used a router on a sled to level both sides, but it acquired a bow later on, making me think I should have let it dry a little more before gluing it up...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RustyArc View Post
    Maybe for large barrels? We use 225 litre barriques and the ends are slotted together with tongue and groove profiles with no seal or fasteners at all. When the staves are removed, they just fall apart.

    I've recently had a go at doing something with old barrels, as it seems a waste to just burn them. For my first attempt I just used some bulked-up epoxy to glue the joints and fill the gaps (the outside edges of the joins are tight, but the inside edges have quite a gap, I assume to ensure the wood seals in one place). I then used a router on a sled to level both sides, but it acquired a bow later on, making me think I should have let it dry a little more before gluing it up...
    No, I am talking about barriques and hogsheads. The headboards I have are all hogs I think. The winery uses barrels from the top coopers in the world. Probably seen barrels from 30 different coopers, mostly from France and AP Johns from the Barrosa. This is the traditional method of course.

    That is not to say that others don't do it differently. The French are pretty traditional. It is interesting to hear of more modern techniques being used. I wonder how they fit the headboards of the boards are not joined together. I have had a tour of the AP Johns cooperage and watched all the processes of barrel making.

    Burning barrels? The winery I worked for had at one time 17,000 barrels in use and they almost never had a problem selling them when they had finished with them. I belive most of these went to QLD by semi load.

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    This is an AP Johns barrel I've been playing with:
    IMG_1506.jpg

    There's other barrels, most of which are French, but I haven't pulled any of those apart. Yet.

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    OK. I have pulled a few AP Johns headboards apart as they have pretty thick timber in them. I was looking at using the timber.

    Customers can order certain features or sometimes not have some processes done. The winery used to buy Nadalie barrels from France and they asked not to have the sanding done. The barrels came rough finished, but a bit cheaper. $25 from memory. Good save on what was then a $1000 barrique. They all leaked like seives tho. We had about 300 of these barrels set on stillage 4 rows high, 3 rows and when about half way thru a white ferment fill it was decided to pump them out, pull down the stacks and hoop drive them all. Eventually they stopped buying them because of the leaks.

    Anyway maybe the difference is due to customer requirements or maybe they have changed their methods. It would be a few years since I saw inside a barrel.

    Here is a picture of an AP Johns board on top with a board from Dargaud & Jaegle Tonnellerie (French for Cooperage) underneath. The AP Johns is Russian Oak. Comes from a mountain range that starts with"C" . This is shown by the pale green ring around the edge.

    Barrel Headboard Boards.jpg

    The pin holes can be seen and the pale strip visible on the lower board is where the reed was.

    Dean

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    Hi Chris,
    Picked up the Galvanized strips today, went there on Thursday 12.45 PM, just before Christmas and they closed at 12.00
    Have 14 here plus a few rejects that split on the corner.
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    Hope these meet your criteria.
    Kryn
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    They sell them down this way at Red hill markets (wine Barrel boards) and they use hand forged (Blacksmith made) handles.
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