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Thread: Moving large planer
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28th Sep 2016, 02:52 PM #31Most Valued Member
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28th Sep 2016, 10:18 PM #32Banned
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Ain't the Tas government firing up the Tamar valley gas power station?
Hydro Tasmania to fire up Tamar power station as industry calls for dam level guarantee - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
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28th Sep 2016, 10:38 PM #33Most Valued Member
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Don't know. Don't care. The whole thing was a major cluster-fsck from start to finish. Government took 2 gambles and both of them went wrong. As I would probably have bet the same way, I'm not actually criticising. I thought it all very funny, but I can afford to. A lot of others can't.
South Australia isn't looking in real good shape ATM either.....
RC once found me a 4.2m hydraulic planer here in Hobart. I refused to even go & look at it for fear it'd follow me home. Wonder what ever happened to that one....
PDW
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29th Sep 2016, 07:47 AM #34Philomath in training
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Oh yeah. Currently we have people blaming the government for not having enough base load and too much wind power. Apparently renewables are responsible for doing this in the mid north -
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(Apparently the system tripped when damaged to prevent further damage)
Michael
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29th Sep 2016, 10:57 AM #35
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29th Sep 2016, 11:04 AM #36Golden Member
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RC once found me a 4.2m hydraulic planer here in Hobart. I refused to even go & look at it for fear it'd follow me home. Wonder what ever happened to that one....
Earlier in the year I ended up at a scrap yard in western sydney to check the weight I had on the truck before I drove home (unfortunately had to unload 4 tonnes of new engineering steel which he kindly brought for 2% of new price) But at the scrap yard they had a MASSIVE metal chipper. It was 30-40m high and a large excavator machine was loading objects on a huge conveyor belt which dropped them in the top and out the bottom came 6 inch sized pieces of metal. These fell onto another conveyor which dropped the pieces into a vertically positioned container sitting on scales. Once it got to the appropriate weight the container was tipped over,closed, and stacked with all the others. It was incredibly noisy. But the point is they had all sorts of partially broken up machines ready to be gobbled up. I did not see any engineering machines but all sorts of other production machines,cars etc sitting waiting their turn in the chipper. All off to China. One of the workers said that scrap ferrous metal prices were very low and they were only selling what they needed to cover costs and the rest would be stock piled for the time being hoping for an increase.
Anyway when I was talking to the owner of the swift summerskill planer he had contacted a number of scrappies to see what they would offer. Most said it was not worth it even if he gave it to them. The cost of picking it up and moving it would exceed the return from breaking it up. They said they would take it if he dropped it off. The only value he could find was the large 20HP motor and the newish electrical drive system and that was fairly minimal.
The planer is in a large industrial area near Botany in Sydney and the owner is well connected to the other engineering facilities in the area. He had contacted all the ones he could think of to see if they wanted the planer. Most said that the yearly lease cost for the floor space taken up by the planer would exceed its income and that's not counting wages,power and consumables. He had advertised it for a year in the usual industrial sale forums without a single bite (admittedly at a high price). In all that time I was the only one to ever come and look at it.
So I suppose the only hope for these machines are hobby collectors. The big machines will all go to scrap because they are too big for even them and some of the small machines will find their way into backyard sheds.
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29th Sep 2016, 11:54 AM #37Banned
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Perhaps it's just as well. To much old stuff about and it looses a lot of its 'interest' value.
I'm looking forward to the YouTube video of the Swift doing its thing.
...In the mean time I've got me own machine move problem to solve. How to get near seven tons of near four metre high cast iron through a three and a bit metre high door.
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29th Sep 2016, 01:24 PM #38Most Valued Member
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I was in Sydney when I saw it for sale. I carefully *didn't* go and look. I did rough-price out the rigging & freight costs. It simply wasn't justifiable by any stretch of the term to ship that machine to Tasmania and if I'd gotten my hands on it, I may have 'overlooked' that. So I'm glad you bought it because I'd have hated it going to scrap.
You can't save them all and the local big one looked a bit beat up, not really much of a prize, so I let it go. There are a few other planers in Tasmania, not really a lot though. I know where a couple more are tucked away.
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29th Sep 2016, 01:25 PM #39Most Valued Member
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7th Oct 2016, 06:02 PM #40Banned
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Real good chance I'll be in Sydney, week after next. I'll be Wetherill Park. I could sneak into the Airport. Wouldn't be a problem to weigh it. I'd need to un-bolt it from the floor, and sit it on 3 x 10T Enerpacs and read the pressure's. Wouldn't take me 2 hours. I'd have the Marko with me. We are cleaning out a shop in W.P
Regards Phil.
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9th Oct 2016, 06:38 PM #41Golden Member
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Hi Phil,
That is a very generous offer. It would certainly be very helpful to know the weight more accurately. I would have to check with the owner re time/day etc. At the moment I don't think it is bolted down just sitting on the pads. Let me know when you think you will be in Sydney and I'll give the owner a call.
Did you get a chance to see one of those toe jacks? Will need to order one soon as I hope to move the planer in 3-4 weeks.
will give you a ring next week sometime to discuss.
Cheers
Mark
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16th Oct 2016, 09:13 PM #42Banned
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I weighed him today. I'm calling it 16,146.79975 kilograms.
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16th Oct 2016, 09:40 PM #43Golden Member
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Thanks Phil your a legend
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16th Oct 2016, 10:13 PM #44Golden Member
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This was Phil's technique for those who are interested.
G’day Mark.
This is what I found. I jacked the machine until it was off all the existing jacking points. A shovelled 3 off 100mm sq RHS off cut’s under three strategic points. Under both wings of the vertical columns, and one at the very front of the machine. All the mass has to be supported by those 3 points. Then measure the pressure by lifting each point until it was just off the support.
I used a SPX Power team RLS 100 – 10 tonne cylinder. It has an effective cylinder area of 2.236 square inches. Gauge on my Enerpac is direct reading pounds per square inch. So the math is really easy.
Pictures attached, In order, front of machine, Under West column, Under East Column.
I’m calling the pressures:
4,420psi x 2.236 = 9,883 lb.
5,900psi x 2.236 = 13,192 lb
5,600 x 2.236 = 12,521 lb
Total 35,598 lb. 15.89 Imperial ton. 16,146 kg.
I believe I’d be within 5%, I tested that gauge against one of my Stauff test gauges, Not to that pressure, but to 3,500 p.s.i. It was fairly constant.
My thanks to Selwyn for interrupting his Sunday to do that. Knocking it off today, opens my week up.
Best Regards.
Phillip Fehring
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9th Nov 2016, 10:32 PM #45Banned
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Just had word. Mark's been able to un-glue the truck from the floods. Managed to knock down the bush fire, that happens in the 2 weeks between flood and fire. And is on his way to Sydney for some time tomorrow. (Thursday).
If it's a week end pull out, happy to come and give you a hand. Its only 8 hours away. Dandenong is 2 hours away,
Regards Phil.
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