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    I've just become the proud owner of a Model D CC engineering tool and cutter grinder (serial number 572)
    I left the base because I could not shift it by myself and intend to weld up a nice stand with castors out of RHS. I apologise if I'm a philistine!
    It's covered with dried grease and some surface rust, but seems to be pretty 'tight" bearing wise.
    I have no real idea about this machine--and got it more because I wanted to clean up something neat than anything else, although I do hope I can use it for small surface grinding jobs, if that turns out to be possible.
    I've searched the web and this forum for any info on this machine and found details pics by a few master toolmakers and tradesmen who have done a far better job than I can do, even on my best days, and so I start cap in hand to ask for whatever help and guidance any one can offer me.
    I'm not even sure of the capabilities of this machine, and sadly I have never seen one working, although I spent 15 years of my early life in and out of toolmakers workshops. (but that's another story).
    I have posted some pics here, and while I can identify the bigger bits, I hope someone can give me some guidance on some of the bits and pieces that came with it in ice cream cans. (Pics 5, 6 ,9, 0.)
    Motor:
    The guy wanted to keep the motor off it. It was 3 phase anyway and since I only have single phase, my first question is about suitability of motors. I think I have an old single phase 1/3 hp motor somewhere--is that worth looking out. I won't be surprised if someone tells me I could have used the 3 phase and rewired it to single phase, but as i said the guy wanted the motor.
    Picture 7 shows the pulley that came off the 3 phase motor. It drives a flat belt.
    Question 2: Is it worth persisting with a flat belt, or am I better off sourcing a v belt and some suitable diameter pulleys??
    I think pic 5 are tail stocks that fit into the slot on the bed--since I saw a pic of something similar.

    Magnetic chuck:
    Is there a small inexpensive magnet chuck available anywhere--even from our Asian neighbors? Is it possible to use several rare earth bar magnets to hold small jobs? I can't imagine wanting to surface grind anything bigger than 200/250 long by 50 x 50.
    Is it worth pursuing or am I dreaming considering that I may only use it for such a job once a year.
    My intention is to enjoy cleaning this up over time and if possible making it work sufficiently to do simple grinding jobs. However we both know how seductive it can be to get something pristine and fully operational.
    I will appreciate any suggestions of guidance anyone is willing to offer, no matter how seemingly simple or basic. Believe me I am struggling with the finer points.
    thanks and regards
    Brian
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    Brian, I'm sorry to say, but I think you've got more trouble that it's worth, I have a friend going that way in a weeks time, he can pick it up to get it out of your hair if you like.

    Just funnin ya. Nice find, should make a nice interesting project. Sorry cant help with recognition of any of the parts, and I hope it works out well for you. Looking forward to seeing the WIP report and pics.
    Kryn

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    I have the baby version of yours and I think Stustoys has the same as yours.
    Could you put up some bigger photos, please? I can't tell if you have the swivel table for example.
    Some of the bits I can identify as collet/tool holders and fingers to follow spiral s to gring in milling cutters, others I can't really identify.
    Flat belt drive is very quiet and very suitable for grinding. Belts are available from may sources.
    I would not consider a motor smaller than 1/2Hp 2800rpm, 3/4Hp would be better if you find a modern small frame one. 3-phase and VFD is ideal and smaller and cheaper still, but the VFD adds to the cost. You could look for a second-hand VFD (they are used on industrial sewing machines for example in these sizes). The added advantage is that you have variable speed for different size grinding wheels.
    Pity you couldn't get the base and motor.... can't win them all...
    Good luck with the resto!
    Cheers, Joe
    retired - less energy, more time to contemplate projects and more shed time....

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    Nice find. Basically what Joe said. Flat belt works nicely, don't change it if it's all good. That machine should clean up nicely and provide you with much enjoyment. Apart from the tailstocks (derrr) the only other part I recognise is the finger with the sloted flat bar. I think that's to be used as a guide for sharpening end mills etc.

    Good luck!

    Simon
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    Thanks for your encouragement, Simon and Kryn ans jhovel. I will rty and make some bigger pics of the base but I'm crap at that and these took me all day.
    I don't thing the tables swivel, but the 'head' column holding the motor certainly does and has degrees engraved around its base.
    jhovel--which pic woiuld help you if i made it bigger please
    regards
    Brian

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    I was thinking in particular of the last photo. It shows the swivel pin hole, but I cant see any detail of the clamping setup at the table ends.
    Mine was missing the top table and I made it from sratch....
    Cheers, Joe
    retired - less energy, more time to contemplate projects and more shed time....

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    I hope I can get the full pic to upload-- jhovel
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    WHAT'S MISSING FROM THIS PICTURE??
    I'm appealing for some help again on this project.
    What's missing from this pic. I guess there's a washer and a sort of lock nut missing to hold a grinding wheel against the 'loose' pulley set up that seems to be tightened with the left hand thread bolt in the end of the shaft.
    BUT--that's just my naive opinion.
    Any opinions--or better still a picture?
    thanks again
    Brian

    And on the other end of the shaft can any one guide me on what fits here and whats missing to finish it please. (third pic)
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    Brian, I was chasing one of these many years ago. I can't find the photos I collected but did find these two on the web for a model D. I think the spindle is double ended by the way.
    http://s237.photobucket.com/user/sir...2fdc1.jpg.html
    http://s237.photobucket.com/user/sir...972de.jpg.html

    I think this one belongs to Bob Ward, a member here.

    Michael
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    Much better photo!
    Do you know if the previous owner ever used this grinder? or knows the last person who did?
    The table shows a distinct 'print' of the slightly narrower top swivel table, clamp arrangements and slight wear marks around the swivel pin hole.
    If you can retrieve the top table, the grinder will be a lot more versatile.
    The missing nut you suspect is part of the 1-1/4" arbour on the pulley end of the spindle. I wager that this comes off and can be fitted to the other end. Someone here will be able to make you a new 'nut'. The nut is actually the other flange for the grinding wheel and is tightened with a pin spanner (which fits in two holes in the flange 'nut'). Be aware that the arbour should only spin one way - to toghten the nut if the wheel is slowed. If you fit it on the other spindle end, the motor direction needs to be reversed. Better is to have opposite threaded arbours for either direction (at either end).
    Here are a couple of pictures from my collection which might shed light on the missing centre to go in the holder which is not the tailstock, and what to look for in the swivel table. There is also a piccy of your grinder with a magnetic chuck. I bought a cheap Indian 180x100 one a few years ago. It is fine for small jobs, even on the T&C grinder. I've used it quite a few times before and while restoring my surface grinder.
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    Cheers, Joe
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    Hi Briangoldcoast,
    Here is a picture of the grinder side-on that may help.

    Regards,
    Keith_W
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    jhovel,
    Thanks for your invaluable help.
    The machine is a deceased estate and was way back in a dark shed, so I can't get any history on it.
    I will have to call on some help to have that arbor made up since I think it has a left hand thread and way beyond my capabilities I think. But that can wait until I get some of the basic stuff sorted out, like cleaning the grease and dirt out of the table.

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    Thank you Kieth and Michael for your pics. Believe me I really appreciate them and they are so useful in my trying to make sense of a machine I am not familiar with

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    Joe-- I've looked more closely at your first pic and I see what you mean about the top swivel table. Damn, it would have been nice if that was still on mine when I got it, but in reality for the main use I have for the machine--some light surface grinding, I think practically I can do without it.
    Thanks for your help
    regards
    Brian

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