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    I was hunting for new probes for my Haimer 3D Taster (I broke a probe), and naturally tried to find one locally. Sure enough H&F had one, how many would you like Sir? ... at $121 each.

    So next thing was to turn to ebay, I had a lot of trouble getting sellers to respond (as I wanted to buy two), so there was a considerable delay there. I use that centering tool a LOT, so I was really missing it in the meanwhile. On ebay the sellers were asking around 42 Euro on average.

    While I was waiting for them to reply (some still haven't) a few days later I tried a general search one night, and came across this site. The same probe was 19 Euro ie H&F was 450% more expensive. Now of course we need to add freight to that 19 Euro, so it's not quite that difference but you'll get the point.

    Most of their gear is probably too large to ship, but I think the measurement section could be of interest. I bought a number of things and even with the DHL freight (expensive), it came up to not much more than one probe locally.

    http://www.spanntechnik.santool.de/

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    Thanks Pete,

    There prices seem OK for some of the stuff. I may look into using them next time. My Shipto address also has an address in Austria which may work out OK. My grasp of the German language lets me down with some of the stuff, unfortunately.

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    Pete, if it's coming out of Germany then by far the cheapest option is DHL Paket, which is available at all post offices. Max size box is 1200x600x600mm and the freight goes in bands of 0-5kg, 5-10, 10-20, 20-31½kg. It can be slow - up to 3 weeks or so.

    One would think that anyone in Germany would be able to use DHL Paket.

    DHL is owned by Deutsche Post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simonl View Post
    My Shipto address also has an address in Austria which may work out OK.
    Forget it Simon - the rates are hideous - nothing like out of the USA.
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    Bugger!
    Girl, I don't wanna know about your mild-mannered alter ego or anything like that." I mean, you tell me you're, uh, super-mega-ultra-lightning babe? That's all right with me. I'm good. I'm good.

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    Oh that's a shame about Shipito, as I had the same thoughts about using the Austrian end.

    Simon there should be a button on the top right hand corner of the site to display the site in English. Sometimes the English is a bit patchy, however it does the trick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete F View Post
    Oh that's a shame about Shipito, as I had the same thoughts about using the Austrian end.

    Simon there should be a button on the top right hand corner of the site to display the site in English. Sometimes the English is a bit patchy, however it does the trick.
    Thanks. I'll have another look.

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    DHL Paket rates are pretty good though:
    up to 5kg 41.99€ so about $63
    up to 10kg 58.99€ so about $88
    up to 20kg 91.99€ so about $137
    up to 31.5kg 123.99€ so about $185

    and they all carry a max size of 120x60x60cm. Generally I find it works out to be about $10 per kilo which is on par with the rates from the USA via Shipito. You just have to be a bit more patient with the delivery time.

    I was going to quote an example from Austria vis Shipito but the calculator is stuffed atm.
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    The stuff that's on its way to me is 0.8 kg and the DHL Worldwide is 42.60 Euros. At that weight it's quite expensive, but like a lot of these options, if you can find enough toys to fill 'er up, it will become a lot more cost efficient. In this instance I just needed the probes, and wasn't going to get reamed $120 for them. I can now see a whole heap of other things (eg Trapezoidal thread gauge, I've been looking for one of them for ages) that I would have included had I spent more time looking through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FenceFurniture View Post
    Pete, if it's coming out of Germany then by far the cheapest option is DHL Paket, which is available at all post offices. Max size box is 1200x600x600mm and the freight goes in bands of 0-5kg, 5-10, 10-20, 20-31½kg. It can be slow - up to 3 weeks or so.

    One would think that anyone in Germany would be able to use DHL Paket.

    DHL is owned by Deutsche Post.

    If ever you need something mailed out of Germany, and it is less than 2kg, then by far the cheapest is "päckchen international" - translated a "small international postparcel". It costs a flat rate of E15.79 (about AU$22.50) to Australia. The thing is, you have to explicitely ask for it, they do much more like you to use their more expensive options. You see, the "päckchen international" existed long before the German Post and DHL merged. This was a subsidized service, like many other countries had or still have too. No idea how long it it is there to stay now with DHL, but as long as it is available I highly recommend it be used.
    https://www.dhl.de/en/paket/pakete-v...paeckchen.html
    If more than 2kg, it pays to ask the seller if the goods can be packed into two "päckchen international", still cheaper than any other option. Even 3 is probably cheaper if your item can be split or disassembled.

    Edit: I believe they artificially slow down delivery of "päckchen international", so it does not compete too much with their premium price products. I never got a "päckchen international" in less than 3 weeks, and it sometimes takes 6 to 8 weeks. So do not use it for urgent things.

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    My foremost criteria is <$1000 per package, and then what weight package that becomes. It's usually a 10 or 20 kg package.
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    Now that Colt Drills have moved from Germany to France (bought out by Riss) it is much better to get the drills shipped to their office in Germany and then freighted to here. French freight is right up there.

    That then brought up the question of when VAT is applied. I would have thought that because they were being shipped within the EU that VAT would have been applied, but Riss insist that if the payment comes from outside the EU then there is no VAT. Go figure - I'll bet I can find a truckload of suppliers who would disagree with this, but hey, I'm happy if that's what Riss think.
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    Bought stuff from Germany many times, ship via deutsche post, no problem. Even bought a chainsaw to replace the motor from a 2 man post hole digger no problem and miles ahead. Prices in OZ compared to Europe or US? Hideous, welcome to the retail rip off capital of the world where imported stuff has a 400% markup as the norm.
    A comment on the side. I know a guy who supplies both Aldi and Woolies. When Aldi is happy with 16% markup, Woolies wants 40% minimum.
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