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    i have a different motorbike now and the wheel pictured in this thread is a perfect fit no machining needed to be done to the wheel, however i need to machine wheel spacers from steel or aluminium wheel spacers vary from OD:40mm, ID:22mm and xxx amount of length, will this micro lathe do the job cutting steel or aluminium? BORUM SPACE SAVER LATHE. RED HOT PRICE LIMITED STOCK!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza2009au View Post
    i have a different motorbike now and the wheel pictured in this thread is a perfect fit no machining needed to be done to the wheel, however i need to machine wheel spacers from steel or aluminium wheel spacers vary from OD:40mm, ID:22mm and xxx amount of length, will this micro lathe do the job cutting steel or aluminium? BORUM SPACE SAVER LATHE. RED HOT PRICE LIMITED STOCK!
    Probably but I wouldn't bet $400 of *my* money on it. 125mm between centres, 50mm chuck. no compound slide, it isn't really a lathe, it's something I might give to an 8 y/o as a Christmas toy.

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    Gazza Mate i know your pain

    Yes it will do the job but like a spool gun its a bit half assed. If you only want to turn wheel spacers then yes it will do the job.

    But thats all it will do you will find yourself wishing the first time you need to turn a taper why didn't i get the bigger one with a compound slide

    I will say this though after a page of waffle about the legalities and align yourself with some mates and learn about mods etc try not to talk about it here too much

    Before i get howled down some body better re read the last page and a half of entries on this forum and started moderating Silencers mods to guns etc you guys need to get a grip
    Gazza asks a simple question how to mod some wheels, tell him to visit a machine shop with a Mill and a rotary table thats how i did mine.

    Tell him you need maximum amount of material ie check to see if the casting is hollow at that point if not machine away I can see by the wheels its solid

    Tell him to double check with the Bible that is ADR;s you will see there is no issue with welding wheels etc or suspension components with motorcycles
    Its different with cars

    Guys before this becomes a witch hunt please check you facts

    Good luck with it Gazza

    PS Yes i did un lace a hub weld it up and re lace it and you know what it works better then new

    Bruce

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    Quote Originally Posted by steamboatbrucey View Post
    Gazza Mate i know your pain

    Yes it will do the job but like a spool gun its a bit half assed. If you only want to turn wheel spacers then yes it will do the job.

    But thats all it will do you will find yourself wishing the first time you need to turn a taper why didn't i get the bigger one with a compound slide

    I will say this though after a page of waffle about the legalities and align yourself with some mates and learn about mods etc try not to talk about it here too much

    Before i get howled down some body better re read the last page and a half of entries on this forum and started moderating Silencers mods to guns etc you guys need to get a grip
    Gazza asks a simple question how to mod some wheels, tell him to visit a machine shop with a Mill and a rotary table thats how i did mine.

    Tell him you need maximum amount of material ie check to see if the casting is hollow at that point if not machine away I can see by the wheels its solid

    Tell him to double check with the Bible that is ADR;s you will see there is no issue with welding wheels etc or suspension components with motorcycles
    Its different with cars

    Guys before this becomes a witch hunt please check you facts

    Good luck with it Gazza

    PS Yes i did un lace a hub weld it up and re lace it and you know what it works better then new

    Bruce
    hey bruce thanks mate , the wheels are DOT/ADR approved also these cast wheels are used in a lot of motard races around the world on these bikes i think everyone was thinking im trying to invent something new ,
    im sure i can lace some hubs bruce but i now have a WR426F which is notorious for blowing gearbox's on the streets, there is 2 options no:1 is buy a cush drive hub wait for it.... @ $550 for a rear hub alone than 2 rims,spokes,nipples,front hub im looking at USD$1350 without tires lol
    the second option is to use the cast wheels and just machine wheel spacers (the rear has the luxury cush drive) and all the research has been done and guys world wide are using this site WR450 MOTARD CONVERSIONS: supermoto cast wheels WR450F kits with cush drive for the conversion info so all i need is a lathe that can machine the wheel spacers and im set if i do one set of rims it pays for its self plus i save a bunch of cash
    thanks for understanding where im coming from bruce i think the whole motard sport is still relatively new to australia so people are saying WHAT THE HECK THAT AINT RIGHT

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    Default Nothings new in the world

    Gazza

    I have been watching motard from its beginnings in france and the uk it started out as super mono classes so 25 years ago

    Mate for bullet proof reliability go the mags straight up easy and quick and bucket loads of donor wheel sets for cheap and yes the cush drive is super important in prolonging the gearbox even lash out on new rubber inserts for the wheel. it is that important those 465 engines are super quick but you pay for it it terms of reliability and keeping on top of the service side of things.

    Even more important does yours still have the original titanium valves ? if so and its not brand new get rid of them now other wise they will be poking a hole in the piston in short order. you need to get some black diamond valves in before it drops them.

    That conversion web site is pretty good go with the 6 spoke they are actually lighter then the three

    But mate even a 180 x 300 mini lathe is better you need to get a bit bigger machine it will last you longer

    Bruce

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    Quote Originally Posted by steamboatbrucey View Post
    Gazza

    I have been watching motard from its beginnings in france and the uk it started out as super mono classes so 25 years ago

    Mate for bullet proof reliability go the mags straight up easy and quick and bucket loads of donor wheel sets for cheap and yes the cush drive is super important in prolonging the gearbox even lash out on new rubber inserts for the wheel. it is that important those 465 engines are super quick but you pay for it it terms of reliability and keeping on top of the service side of things.

    Even more important does yours still have the original titanium valves ? if so and its not brand new get rid of them now other wise they will be poking a hole in the piston in short order. you need to get some black diamond valves in before it drops them.

    That conversion web site is pretty good go with the 6 spoke they are actually lighter then the three

    But mate even a 180 x 300 mini lathe is better you need to get a bit bigger machine it will last you longer

    Bruce
    wow i never knew motards were around that long learn something new everyday, yeah the cast wheels are ideal as i already have a rear wheel from my last project/bike

    im not sure about the valves as i just purchased this bike, the last owner said he had a full engine rebuild done he didnt say when but did mention the engine has only done 12 hours work

    i will try find the bigger lathe but ive noticed the price takes off after a couple smaller models so i will be limited in what lathe i can buy

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    That lathe may or may not be capable of doing your spacers.

    If you have the opportunity to see it in the flesh will give you more of an idea.

    Small chuck will it hold 40mm od stock.

    22mm bore will the tailstock hold a suitable size drill.

    125 between centres,will you be able to hold xxx length in chuck and still fit a drill in tailstock for drilling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pipeclay View Post
    That lathe may or may not be capable of doing your spacers.

    If you have the opportunity to see it in the flesh will give you more of an idea.

    Small chuck will it hold 40mm od stock.

    22mm bore will the tailstock hold a suitable size drill.

    125 between centres,will you be able to hold xxx length in chuck and still fit a drill in tailstock for drilling.
    I sold an old flat belt Hercus recently for $350 including a fair bit of tooling and it was 100X as useful as that thing linked to.

    However, some people just have to learn for themselves.

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    Re the Borum lathe linked to, the specs in the link say 150W motor, which is on par with a Dremel, a lousy 12V battery drill, or a sewing machine. Yes it might turn and face the spacers you want to make, but the depth of cut would be miniscule and it would really be struggling to actually drill the hole for the axle to pass through depending on the spacer length required (listed as xxx). Also, if the spacer is to be 40mm OD and 22mm ID, that only leaves a 9mm wall thickness in contact with the swingarm, is that sufficient?
    I used to be an engineer, I'm not an engineer any more, but on the really good days I can remember when I was.

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    In motorcycle terms a 9 mm wall thickness is huge a 22 mm axle is big it wasnt so long ago that most 1100 m/c got around race tracks just fine with 17 mm axles

    Postie bikes have 12 mm axles to give a comparative strength and a spacer diameter of 20.

    The wheel spacer can be 4 mm wall minimum which is the bearing race dia at that point anyway its always kept at about 8 mm wall to stop it eating into the swing arm over time.

    There is little sideways force on a motorcycle wheel its all lateral

    Lathe choice for a young bloke will always be difficult mini lathe whilst your renting decent lathe when you have your own shed. it doesent work renting and lugging about 400 kilos of lathe around after you

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    guys will a lathe this size machine the wheel spacers? Lathe in Brisbane, QLD | eBay

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza2009au View Post
    guys will a lathe this size machine the wheel spacers? Lathe in Brisbane, QLD | eBay
    In alloy - yes.

    I'd be looking at a 7 x 12 or similar.

    Strip off the bits and you can lift that around, and has half decent capabilities.

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    last time i show u guys a used lathe on ebay look at the price now! previous auctions for the same lathe has seen it sold for just over $200

    Quote Originally Posted by nearnexus View Post
    In alloy - yes.

    I'd be looking at a 7 x 12 or similar.

    Strip off the bits and you can lift that around, and has half decent capabilities.

    Rob
    hey rob, i dont have much room in my shed i only have a 3x3m garden shed so im not sure where i'd put a bigger lathe, so i'd ideally like one of the smaller mini lathes, and at this moment the lathe is pretty much for a one off job and that is the wheel spacers
    a machine shop has previously quoted me $400 to machine similar wheel spacers so i figured if i spent around that much on a lathe i could come out even and be up one tool in the shed or even sell the lathe and pocket all the cash

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