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    Hi guys,

    I'm having a problem trying to figure out how to make a split bush bearing out of a short length of brass bar.
    I have a 3/8" diameter shaft that has larger 1/2" diameter ends. So I need to make a bush that will press fit into a 7/8" diameter hole that will act as a bearing for the 3/8" shaft.

    Suggestions please !
    Thanks in advance:
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    The way I've heard it done in the past is to cut the brass in half and then soft solder it together again. Make up the bush (with the split going through the centre of the brass) and the when finished, de-solder.
    Never done it but I've seen pictures of the results from those that have.

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    Hi BaronJ,
    Michaels suggestion is the normal preferred way and works quite well, you just need to remember that, depending on the final tolerance, you will have to machine in enough clearance. When you remove the solder after separating you will close the bush up and this needs to be compensated for. Or, you can shim the two halves instead of machining the allowance in.
    My preferred way is to split afterwards and shim to replace the saw cut. This way you have the facility to close up the bush as wear and tear takes place. Either way, shimming is required, which isn't a bad thing.

    Phil

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steamwhisperer View Post
    Hi BaronJ,
    Michaels suggestion is the normal preferred way and works quite well, you just need to remember that, depending on the final tolerance, you will have to machine in enough clearance. When you remove the solder after separating you will close the bush up and this needs to be compensated for. Or, you can shim the two halves instead of machining the allowance in.
    My preferred way is to split afterwards and shim to replace the saw cut. This way you have the facility to close up the bush as wear and tear takes place. Either way, shimming is required, which isn't a bad thing.

    Phil
    Hi Guys,
    Thanks for the suggestions. I'm not keen on soldering two pieces together, however now its been pointed out to me I think that its a job for the four jaw chuck. Two pieces of flat brass bar can be clamped together in the chuck and drilled with a pilot hole, then the outside turned to diameter for the one inch length. If I use a 6mm pilot hole then I can use a short bit of round bar as a spigot. Take the whole lot out, turn it around and use the three jaw to hold it together whilst I bore and ream the hole to 3/8".

    Does this sound like a plan or have I missed something ?

    Thanks.

    PS. I will have to buy a camera and take some pictures. )

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaronJ View Post
    Hi Guys,
    Thanks for the suggestions. I'm not keen on soldering two pieces together, however now its been pointed out to me I think that its a job for the four jaw chuck. Two pieces of flat brass bar can be clamped together in the chuck and drilled with a pilot hole, then the outside turned to diameter for the one inch length. If I use a 6mm pilot hole then I can use a short bit of round bar as a spigot. Take the whole lot out, turn it around and use the three jaw to hold it together whilst I bore and ream the hole to 3/8".

    Does this sound like a plan or have I missed something ?

    Thanks.

    PS. I will have to buy a camera and take some pictures. )
    I still like the convenience of shims but that's just me
    You could bore and ream while the job is still in the 4 jaw then place a couple of jubilee clips (hose clamps) around the bush and part it off.

    Phil

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steamwhisperer View Post
    I still like the convenience of shims but that's just me
    You could bore and ream while the job is still in the 4 jaw then place a couple of jubilee clips (hose clamps) around the bush and part it off.

    Phil
    Hi Phil, I hadn't thought about using a hose clip to keep it together. The total length is only 1&1/8". I'm going to make it a push fit into a 5/8 hole drilled in a length of 1" square 3/16" wall aluminium tube.

    Thanks:

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaronJ View Post
    Hi Phil, I hadn't thought about using a hose clip to keep it together. The total length is only 1&1/8". I'm going to make it a push fit into a 5/8 hole drilled in a length of 1" square 3/16" wall aluminium tube.

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    Ahhh I see. Is ther any particular reason you need to have it split or can it be one piece

    Phil

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    Phil, I think the reason for the split is that the shaft that runs in the bush has larger ends (see post 1)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael G View Post
    Phil, I think the reason for the split is that the shaft that runs in the bush has larger ends (see post 1)

    Michael
    Oh, oops. Thanks Michael,

    Phil

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    5/8 or 7/8?
    You're going to try turning a 1" square(split) gripped by 1/8" in the 4 jaw with about 1" overhang?
    How concentric does it need to be?

    Stuart

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stustoys View Post
    5/8 or 7/8?
    You're going to try turning a 1" square(split) gripped by 1/8" in the 4 jaw with about 1" overhang?
    How concentric does it need to be?

    Stuart
    Hi Stuart,

    Not quite ! the overall length of the bush is 1"1/8" (1.125"). The idea is to machine this from two pieces of flat brass bar 1" x 0.5" cross section 2" long. Then clamp these together in the four jaw chuck with an overhang very slightly more than I need. Turn the outside diameter first then use a hose clip to secure the machined end. Drill through and then bore and ream to 3/8". Remove, saw off the unwanted material. Put in three jaw and face off.
    Remove hose clip and I should have what I want.

    At least this is the way I hope.

    Just for further information the bar that is referred to in my original post is an old original Moore & Wright long reach tapping chuck. Yes I could machine the T bar end to be the same size as the shaft but I hate the thought of modifying a nearly 90 year old tool that for all intents is unused and original.

    Regards:
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    Hi Baron,
    Thanks that clears things up.

    Stuart

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    Hi Guys,

    Well I went out and bought a Fujifilm Finepix camera today. I've also made the split brass bush !
    I hope the photos are Ok, particularly since its my first attempt...

    The photos show the initial two pieces of brass bar in the four jaw chuck and then after the major diameters have been turned. There is also a general shot of my Myford lathe. The last two shots show the finished bush after drilling and reaming to 3/8" bore.

    I also discovered a slight problem when I tried the bush on the shaft of the tapping tool
    But I'll say more about that later when I've had chance to take some more photos.

    Regards:
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    Hi

    I am a bit slow

    how did you centre the 2 pieces of brass in the 4 jaw ? If the 2 halves of the flat sltock are not centred, then the two halves of the bush would not be concentric

    Mike

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    Nicely done.

    Phil

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