Thread: This is for metal workers too!

I dont think I would be brave enough to test it?
If it is only $60 or so it will be a necessary feature

SAWSTOP in TimeWarp - YouTube

Pardon the french but: ***** !!!
You'd really want hope the apprentice does his weekly maintenance checks properly.

Watched the footage but for some reason there was no sound at my end - the device appears to sefl destruct as part of the function - yes you've saved your finger, but then you'd have a few hours work putting the saw back to functional again afterwards. - not saying the tradeoff isn't worth it (finger versus delay), but am saying if the device was fitted, the liability issues would demand the unit was replaced by certified/approved people - not a hobbyist.

That guy is nuts......i would be more worried about my guts where he was standing than my fingers......

I think the $60 is for a new blade and aluminum block, or maybe just the block. My blades are worth way more than $60..... What worries me is if the spindle of the saw is not isolated from the table of the saw......

For metal tooling it would only be of use if no oil or coolant was used.

Oh, and also, we heal, machines don't......

Not sure what the healing thing has to do with much.
Yes I suppose a stub gets a skin graft or flap put over,fingers you could allways just palm yourself.
Hope your not serious with that comment.
Machines can be repaired or replaced.

Ir that is for the table saw stop I have a couple of reservations: the feature adds many dollars to the price of a good cabinet saw, and an e-stop event costs around $200 for an average blade. So far that seems like a good trade-off to me, but it by no means renders a saw fool proof. Good riving knives, rip fence alignment and proper dust exraction and guarding would do more to prevent hospital visits than the saw stop.

The inventor did his best to sell his invention to saw makers. Eventually he tried to have it legislated as mandatory. Finally he enlisted his fellow trial lawyers into the scheme so that not having a stop mechanism was seen as akin to product negligence.

The entire saw-stop mechanism would be worth $500 to me as an added option on a table saw I think. Beyond that the value proposition is lacking.

Greg

I saw that device demonstrated at a woodworking show overseas about ten years ago (he used the sausage, not his finger). Back then the inventor was hoping it would soon be a standard fit on most table saws, however I've never seen a saw with one fitted.

I was told by an experienced woodie to never take my eyes off my thumbs when using the table saw, since nobody would voluntarily cut their own thumb off. That advice has served me well to date.

Given that metal is conductive, I can't see it having any potential for metalworking.

Originally Posted by pipeclay

Not sure what the healing thing has to do with much.
Yes I suppose a stub gets a skin graft or flap put over,fingers you could allways just palm yourself.
Hope your not serious with that comment.
Machines can be repaired or replaced.

Read the comment as you will.

When i did last did OHS regarding table saws and spindle moulders, there were far more accidents to a 3rd party than the operator, due to kickback resulting in the workpiece becoming a projectile.

I have probably spent upwards of 5000 hours on a panel saw and never even come close to cutting myself. Luck? no, proper training and correct techniques. I have however turned several pieces of timber into high speed projectiles, big enough and moving fast enough to seriously wound or even kill someone if they were standing in the wrong place. Whilst i agree that the item could save fingers, no safety device can replace training and common sense, and certainly not counteract stupidity.

PS i would like to see a test done at the speed of which an accident happens too even if only 3 or 4 teeth connect with your finger that would be enough to loose it.

Greg pretty much covers my response. That and the fact that the sawstop has a bypass.

I dont normally do this but for further reading sawstop - Woodwork Forums - Threads Tagged with sawstop

This possibly the best?(its not like I've read them all)
http://www.woodworkforums.com/f153/s...rgument-68377/

enjoy

Stuart

Ah, panel saws. After ten years around Brobos, Radial arms, SCMS's and normal table saws, I met my first panel saw.
Big differences there, some fool put a scribing blade ahead of the main blade, right where all my training and experience had taught me was was the safe approach limit to the blade for my hand.
Two years on, it hasn't bitten me yet. Tradies raised with the darn thing don't see a problem, because they have been trained from day that its there and sooner or later will be raised, but when you meet it after years of training and use with other gear, it is a definite potential hazard that can't be guarded

Originally Posted by malb

Ah, panel saws. After ten years around Brobos, Radial arms, SCMS's and normal table saws, I met my first panel saw.
Big differences there, some fool put a scribing blade ahead of the main blade, right where all my training and experience had taught me was was the safe approach limit to the blade for my hand.
Two years on, it hasn't bitten me yet. Tradies raised with the darn thing don't see a problem, because they have been trained from day that its there and sooner or later will be raised, but when you meet it after years of training and use with other gear, it is a definite potential hazard that can't be guarded

I have seen several tradesman nick themselves on the scriber simply brushing waste away from the table. They know its there and yet they have still done it. Thats the stupidity i was talking about. For someone like yourself old habits die hard and it is very hard to change them when they have had many hours to root themselves. On my Felder the scriber runs off the main blade, so if it is bolted on it spins just below the table, ready to bite....

Very clever design.

But then again if people were careful these would not be needed

lucky im a machinist!

Greetings Chaps I have seen this beast demonstrated on the computer and it does not grab me at all. I had 13 years as a student at RMIT pattern making school and the first thing we were taught was that you never ever ever put your fingers in the area of the table that has the acess hole to get at the blade. I have owned a table saw since the early 80,s at RMIT and at home or in a factory and I still have all 10 full digits. Another clue is to replace the metal or plastic cover where the blade comes up through the table with a thin plywood cover and then wind the blade up to its maximum height through the plywood. This eliminates the gap around the edge of the blade where bits of wood jam. If you have to tilt the blade make another cover and keep it for the next time. This thing looks as though it could do some serious damage to the saw I prefere to use caution not self destruction. Yours 4-6-4

Hi 4-6-4,
Not that I disagree with you but it could be argued that if it was there and you didnt put your finger in it then its cost to you would be $0. That assumes that in 25 years you had 0 false triggers.

Stuart(who is off to do some googling on sawstop false triggers)

Originally Posted by Stustoys

Hi 4-6-4,
Not that I disagree with you but it could be argued that if it was there and you didnt put your finger in it then its cost to you would be $0. That assumes that in 25 years you had 0 false triggers.

Stuart(who is off to do some googling on sawstop false triggers)

Well, the cost would be the original outlay.
But just to give you an idea in the commercial game, one false trigger with a set of stellite blades would cost you over $1k.....OUCH