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    Default Vertical Milling Head for Horizontal Mill

    I figured you guys might know where i could locate a milling head for my horizontal mill.

    The mill was bought from TAFE at a very good price, but i didn't have the vertical milling head attachment. It has provision for one, but after looking through the NET I cant find anyone selling just a head for my unit.

    Any thoughts, anyone know someone with a unit hidden away for a rainy day?

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    Quote Originally Posted by seafurymike View Post
    I figured you guys might know where i could locate a milling head for my horizontal mill.

    The mill was bought from TAFE at a very good price, but i didn't have the vertical milling head attachment. It has provision for one, but after looking through the NET I cant find anyone selling just a head for my unit.

    Any thoughts, anyone know someone with a unit hidden away for a rainy day?
    What sort of mill, what sort of VH, with what taper are you after, and how much time & trouble are you prepared to go to to mount one when you find it?

    Reason I ask is, I've seen one B/port J head for sale as a standalone item in the last 30 years but I've bought 3 other non-quill VH's over that period. None of them have been a 'bolt on' job, in fact 2 of them are still sitting on the floor waiting for my need to be strong enough to make the mounting bits. Not available BTW as until I mount 1 on the Vicky mill I'm not parting with either.

    I got 2 of them from Mick Moyle in Sydney but that's probably not a lot of help to you in Melb. I wouldn't call them rare but not real common.

    Edit: Here's one....

    http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Milling-m...item5ae4d9c4bb

    PDW
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    It's an Italian Mill, I dont have picture on the phone, only a video of it running with the VFD. I'll do this tonight and post it so I can show what I'm talking about.

    The unit would be driven from the horizontal attachment and it already has 4 bolt holes for it to mount to, so if i could re-use this I think it would work straight away (if you get my drift)

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    Mike I've been seeking one to adapt to the long-running Perrin project I'm helping with. There is a Nichols 40 taper head on ebay that runs from a horizontal spindle. But be warned: It is frozen solid with rust. including the taper. As such I'd rate it worse than scrap, because it time consuming scrap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Q View Post
    Mike I've been seeking one to adapt to the long-running Perrin project I'm helping with. There is a Nichols 40 taper head on ebay that runs from a horizontal spindle. But be warned: It is frozen solid with rust. including the taper. As such I'd rate it worse than scrap, because it time consuming scrap.
    Interesting that you say that because there's NO indication in the Ebay ad that the thing is unserviceable (I linked to it above).

    I put nicholas312003 in an 'ignore' filter some time ago because of his infuriating habit of posting packets of nuts & bolts in the machinery section (I asked him to desist & got a snotty reply, Ebay didn't care either). It would seem that treating everything he has to sell with great suspicion would be wise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seafurymike View Post
    It's an Italian Mill, I dont have picture on the phone, only a video of it running with the VFD. I'll do this tonight and post it so I can show what I'm talking about.

    The unit would be driven from the horizontal attachment and it already has 4 bolt holes for it to mount to, so if i could re-use this I think it would work straight away (if you get my drift)
    Work straight away - har har. Sure, I get your drift, I admire your optimism though....

    The devil is in the details. Spacer off of milling column, clamps to milling column, stub arbor to drive VH etc etc etc. I've done this twice in the past, simple is a relative term.

    Last time I was there Mick had a 4MT VH for a horizontal mill. Big lump, nice & solid. I bought my 3MT and 40 ISO taper heads off of him, didn't want to mess with yet ANOTHER taper and the inevitable collection of tooling for it; I already have 2MT, 3MT, R8 and 40 ISO, that is *more* than enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDW View Post
    I put nicholas312003 in an 'ignore' filter some time ago because of his infuriating habit of posting packets of nuts & bolts in the machinery section
    I was just about to say "he seems to have cut back on that", but I checked...... 27 listings "Cad plated nuts M12 -25 of"

    "flight rust" seem to have got to this Vee block V block about 3" long minor surface rust | eBay

    I have picked a few things off him though.

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    Ok so this is the guy that I read about who said it was new in a packet and the MT shank came in half rusty.

    PDW - your probably correct in saying there will be some work involved to retrofit to the mill.


    Has anyone thought of making a unit which bolts to the dovetail of the horizontal and is somehow reduction driven from a separate motor? I mean the unit is built like a brick $&@?house, to quote an old boss. I thought of using one of my huanyang VFD units, but it spins down to 6K only and I would have to reduce this a lot to cut steel, etc at low speeds.

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    No no, this is a different guy. He lives a few kms from me, so Mike G and I went there seeking a vertical head. everything is in the backyard under overturned plastic tubs or plastic sheets. ##### everywhere. I bought a bucket of tool steel blocks for $5. Must be 25 kg in there. That's about all I would buy from him: Everything precision has been just about ruined.

    That Nichols head spindle is frozen in the casting...the taper is rusty too. In other words it is scrap. (I am pretty adventurous when it comes to raising the dead, but this one would be a real act of desperation.

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    Hi Guys,
    Sorry for the confusion.

    There is one up side of his place Greg, it makes my shed look "not so bad", at least it has a roof. lol

    That head might be a good place to start for something to copy.. so about $10 would be a fair price I think.

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    I have bought the odd little thing off Nicholas..What I have bought has been ok..
    At his house(if you can call it that) we went for a walk right through to the back back back shed and he pulled out 3 eskies full of horizontal cutters of all shapes and sizes, Needless to say I accidentally bought the lot..
    Have any of you seen his Broadford factory? It's just like his driveway but inside a huge shed..lol..
    Outside looks like the drive at the.....shall we say DWELLING..lol
    He does come up with some interesting stuff on the odd occasion though.
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    I've bought my lathe from Nick ($200 2 motors and headstocks) and several other bits and pieces - 8" 3-jaw chuck, 10" 4-jaw chuck, a heap of steel and some aluminium, as well as a chain hoist. All of it very reasonably priced. He sadly closed his warehouse in Heathcote about a year ago....
    I've also been to his house - what a mess! Same as his shed in Heathcote - just not befitting a suburban house.... LOL
    Oh, and yes, he does have a lot of crap as well a some gems....
    He also seems to be able to find things others can't. I've e-maile him a few times (for both chucks for example) and asked him to find what I wanted. He's mostly friendly, but certainly eccentric to say the least (kind, non-judgemental description form this psychiatric nurse )
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    Thanks Joe I ment to say Heathcote but for some reason every time he comes up in conversation I say Broadford...Meh close enough..I should know better considering I used to live in the Bendigo region..Bagshot North actually..I miss my Farm
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    Quote Originally Posted by seafurymike View Post
    Ok so this is the guy that I read about who said it was new in a packet and the MT shank came in half rusty.

    PDW - your probably correct in saying there will be some work involved to retrofit to the mill.
    Not saying it's impossible or anything. After all, I've done it twice. Just a fair bit of measuring & fabricating required.

    Here's a nice writeup of someone else who's done it recently. Damn fine job too, he's given me some inspiration to get on with mine. It's just moved up to position 203 on the 'do it' list.

    b@s 2a milling machine - Practical Machinist - Largest Manufacturing Technology Forum on the Web

    The heads are neither rare nor common. Assiduous hunting will eventually come up with one but you may well have to take what's available rather than get the taper or features you'd like. The 3MT head I've got has the double angle knuckles so you can set it at any angle you want, the 40 ISO taper head only moves in 1 plane. I want a double-swivel 40 ISO head, preferably with quill. Hah.

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    Almost the spitting image of my mill, The paint is better on mine though
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