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31st Oct 2011, 03:06 PM #1New Member
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What tools do I need to work in metal?
I know that is a pretty broad question, so to be more specific. I am primarily a woodie at heart, love the stuff, but there are many times when 'it would be good to make that out of metal' thoughts arise. Hence I have been doing some research as to welders and it seems to me that the Lincoln 180C will be the right choice for the relatively light to medium stuff I want to make. Typically working with RHS up to 50mm and steel plate and angle max 6mm thick. Maybe some Aluminium down the track.
Now a welder is great but that ain't going to do the cutting and grinding.
Given that I have the makings of a good wood shop what extras do I need to cut and grind metal?
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31st Oct 2011, 04:46 PM #2Member: Blue and white apron brigade
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I would recommend
- a metal cutting bandsaw, they're not expensive, quiet, no sparks, can leave it alone to cut while you do something else and it cuts straighter than a hand held grinder.
- not skimping on PPE and a decent welding helmet
- decent engineering vice
- a fire extinguisher.
- angle grinders are horrible loud things but even so I use up to 4 when metal working. EG Flap sander, wire wheel, cutting disc, grinding wheel.
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31st Oct 2011, 04:49 PM #3Dave J Guest
Hi and welcome to the forum
The welder sounds good
I would say a cheap bandsaw for around $300-$400 for cutting stock
4 inch grinder
5 inch grinder
Grinding disc's (1mm thick are great for the 4 inch)
Flap disc's for the 5 inch for finishing
A plasma cutter is great for sheet metal cut outs and can be had for around $500 up
Ball peen hammers
Good vice
Files
G Clamps
A welding bench
Auto darkening helmet, (a good idea for someone new to welding.)
I am sure there are other things I have forgot, but other members will catch up on them.
With welding aluminium you will need a Teflon liner for the MIG, if your buying it new see if they will throw one in for you. You will also need a different gas for it.
Dave
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31st Oct 2011, 05:32 PM #4Senior Member
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4 inch angle grinder hands down most usefull tool in the shed i have at least 2 all the time i have worn out at least a dozen of em over the years .also have a 7inch dont use it a lot though . i cut my stock with a hitachi cut off saw cos thats what i have messy but quick .
'If the enemy is in range, so are you.'
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31st Oct 2011, 05:42 PM #5
safety
hearing protection - plugs as you will end up with tinutus without them ..
safety glasses
ditto what the others said . Mike
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31st Oct 2011, 05:50 PM #6Member: Blue and white apron brigade
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Metal work PPE
Welding Gloves
Full face shield for HD work
Safety Glasses for light work
Welding Helmet
Ear muffs (they are better than plugs)
Regular leather gloves for handling metal
Steel capped boots
Overalls
Leather apron.
Bucket full of cold water - for when you burn yourself.
Safety first kit
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31st Oct 2011, 08:08 PM #7son of a blacksmith
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just think of what you use for wood work and get the metal work equivelant,
hacksaw
set square
adjustable square
french/engineers chalk
vice grips
multi grips
pliers
files
and all the rest, you will work it out.
i wouldn't go for a 4" angle grider, toys. get a good 5".
a couple of good ball peen hammers, good engineers vice, g clamps, f clamps, whatever you prefer.
good luck.
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31st Oct 2011, 08:19 PM #8Senior Member
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Bugger the little 4" grinder, get a good 5"!!!!! Makita makes a great one for around $100 bucks, its handle is nice and small, easy to grip and its bloody quiet with out to much vibration. The 5" wheels remove more material, have more power and you get more out each disc saving money A cheep 4" grinder cost what $40 and last only 6 months save yourself the desperate dash to the tool store when the 4" screws up.
Now Im not like these other guys that are going to get you to spend loads of cash no no no all you need to start with is your trusty 5", a few cut off wheels, a few grinding discs and the cream of the crop some flapper discs and you are set Some appropriate clothes are a given, safety glasses and a comfortable welding helmethappy turning
Patrick
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31st Oct 2011, 10:15 PM #9New Member
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I would belost without forums like this.......
Thankyou to all respondees, just love the enthusiasm.
Keep it coming.
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31st Oct 2011, 10:50 PM #10New Member
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I would be lost without forums like this.......
Thankyou to all respondees, just love the enthusiasm.
Keep it coming.
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1st Nov 2011, 09:23 AM #11Member
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you've probably got them already, but plenty of clamps (i mainly use g's and f's)
definately get a horizontal bandsaw or even just an abrasive chopsaw if pinpoint accuracy isn't an issue, doing lots of cutting of 50x50 tubing with a 5" grinder will waste your time.
i agree with everyone that said get a 5" grinder over a 4" and i'd also watch out for the power rating, a while back i got a cheapish AEG at bunnings with 700W of power, but it's truly gutless next to my 1500W bosch and cutting things is like night and day between the pair of em
you might consider getting a chipping hammer for slag removal if you ever feel like fluxcore welding, and a wire brush (handheld or one that attaches to your grinder, either or both)
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1st Nov 2011, 10:16 AM #12Member: Blue and white apron brigade
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1st Nov 2011, 12:19 PM #13
Lathe
Couple of Milling Machines
Surface Grinder
Shaper.
And a boat load of tooling to go with it....Warning Disclaimer
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1st Nov 2011, 01:37 PM #14son of a blacksmith
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1st Nov 2011, 06:40 PM #15Intermediate Member
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Pretty broad but it depends a bit on what sort of metal work.
PPE will be number 1 but if you are already a woody you will already have ear muff (ear plugs are better if inserted properly), safety glasses, facesheild etc.
If you are looking for a general purpose welder I would start off with a cheaper dc arc welder and learn on that. If you are looking at working with alloys or stainless and thin sheet metal the probably look at either a mig or TIG - many tigs these days come with arc built in and also maybe even plasma which would make it a bit more versitile than the mig (this is why I have just bought a ac/dc tig, plasma, arc welder and am selling my mig)
Also buy a decent auto darkening helmet (many also double as a face sheild for grinding) - I have just seen the light after welding for a number of years wearing a $30-$50 flip down helmet and absolutly love my new auto darkening helmet.
Definatly need a grinder - as others have said get a 5 inch - 125mm. I have the makita $100 one which comes in a plastic case and with a bunch of grinding wheels and have used it for a few years without issue - I also love the 1mm cutting disks.
Flappy sanding disks are also great for polishing, grinding and smoothing.
A few files and a good vice are also a good investment.
Good quality drill bits
For cutting sheet metal I use a jigsaw with a metal blade
I think that is most of what I have. That would at least get you started and then you can work out what you don't have that you need/want. Also on bigger ticket items like mills, lathes etc I look around at what my mates have got and try not to double up as I can just head round to their place to use theirs and visa versa if only using them every now and again - also saves on floor space in my garage.
HTH
James
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