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    Thumbs up Churchill.

    Hi Guys,

    An interesting picture seen at "Eden Camp" North Yorkshire, UK. There was a prisoner of war camp in the 1940's, now a museum.

    Churchill-Speech.jpg
    There is a rather scratchy recording of Churchill's speech playing in the background.
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    Interesting bloke Churchill,
    I have read quite a few of his books.

    Ratty 05/2004 -05/07/2010 COOPER 01/08/1998-31/01/2012

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    Churchill is not as revered here in Australia as he is in the UK. He was the one who decided that the Gallipolli landings should take place.

    Michael

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    Hi Michael, Guys,

    I don't know much about the first WW ! It was an interesting visit to a WW2 prisoner internment camp not to far away from York, just a few miles North of where I live. Up to recently I didn't know about it at all. Its a large camp, it seems that we treated the enemy prisoners much better than the enemy treated them.

    Here is some interesting posters about the camp and what was called "Dads Army" !

    07-10-2020-001.jpg 07-10-2020-014.jpg
    The entrance poster telling you about the camp. Somewhere I have another picture that shows a detailed map of the camp and its exhibits. A short history of "Dads Army" poster.

    07-10-2020-016.jpg 07-10-2020-015.jpg 07-10-2020-020.jpg

    Well worth another visit !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael G View Post
    Churchill is not as revered here in Australia as he is in the UK. He was the one who decided that the Gallipolli landings should take place.

    Michael

    And Churchill was the instigator of the 1941 Greece debacle where many Australian/NZ troops and much equipment were lost after the Germans overran Greece. One of the many captured Australians was my uncle who spent four years as a POW in Germany.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morrisman View Post
    And Churchill was the instigator of the 1941 Greece debacle where many Australian/NZ troops and much equipment were lost after the Germans overran Greece. One of the many captured Australians was my uncle who spent four years as a POW in Germany.
    Hi Morrisman,

    Sorry to hear about your Uncle ! Many good men and boys perished in the wars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael G View Post
    Churchill is not as revered here in Australia as he is in the UK. He was the one who decided that the Gallipolli landings should take place.

    Michael
    While that is certainly true, I think the fact that he never forgave himself for that debacle speaks volumes regarding his character.
    It is very easy to look back on past battles and decide that we could have done a better job than those who actually bore the weight of decision making on the day. Every leader on every side made decisions that cost lives and material, just as every leader had spectacular victories that they possibly didn't deserve. For all his failings, I would much rather to have served under Churchill than Stalin.
    Lets all be thankful that the actual game was played long before the could've, would've, should've game many indulge in today and that we do not currently face the all consuming global conflict that World war 2 and to a lesser extent World War 1 presented.
    Lest We Forget.

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    Well said Karl!!

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    Hi Guys,

    As promised the picture of Eden Camp layout !

    07-10-20-Eden_Camp.jpg

    Hi Guys, I've apparently posted this picture twice !
    Sorry !
    Best Regards:
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    Gallipoli - there was a political ambition for the campaign. The campaign was an outstanding political success!

    Poliitical background.

    Russia was an ally of Great Britain. There was a Pact between the two contries to come to the aid of the other in war. Russia was being pressured by Turkey as Turkey wanted some disputed territory back - held by Russia and her allies (read part of Greece among other places). Also, British High Command wanted to open a second front against Germany to relieve the pressure - essentially in France and Belgium.

    Italy was an ally, so striking north from the Mediterranean Sea - via Italy was difficult! Switzerland was neutral.

    The Turkish military was supplied from Germany - essentially. By attacking Turkey, the Turkish military could not aid the Germans (read the Western Front), and not attack Russia!

    The Gallipoli campaign prevented Turkey from attacking Russia and also from assisting Germany. This means the "brief" Gallipoli campaign assisted in the defeat of Germany, which limited World War I to four years.

    It must be remembered that military events - such as "war" are directed by politicians.

    Just to add a bit about Churchill and the Gallipoli Campaign.

    Churchill was the First Lord of the Admiralty in 1914. Britain, along with the Russian, French and Australian Navies attempted to forces the Dardanelles with naval forces only. Had it succeeded, and it nearly did, Turkey would have been out of the War, and the Russian Black Sea Fleet would have had access to the Mediteranean, and all the world's oceans. Had it been successful, then World War I would probably been a year shorter (my guess). The actual outcome was for Turkey to keep its forces at home, and expect the British to be back. Essentially a successful political campaign. Churchil after the event relinquished his position and went to France as a lowly officer. This, to me, speaks a great deal about the man.

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