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    Holmsey, you wanker, if I may call you that; Sod off.

    I was refering to the shape and the apparent "useability" of the implement. What use is a knife with the shape it is except gutting the intestines of a butchered beast (inc. humans) by a Gurkha, ninja or terrorist? as I said better to make a kitchen knife or a marking knife.

    FYI : Damasacus steel has been around for a longer time than the inverse of your IQ, the prime reason for the manufacture of it was so it would shear thru bones without blunting/chipping. Incidentally it was developed in ASia and Mid East independantly over many seperate centuries - we are good a killing eachother, if you think that a knife like that will spend its eternity in a glass case please refer to my first sentance.

    No I wasnt joking - there are enough mechanisms to maim eachother around without another "beautiful one" (Ever seen a Damascan Katana ? Now there is a seriously beautiful bone cutter.)

    FWIW it is a fantastic knife.
    Zed

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    yes i do think that knife will sit on a shelf for its entire life, it apears to have been made as an art knife and the maker said it was made as an art knife. there are knives around that sell for 10's of thousands of dollars many in more threatening shapes than that one, would you call those implements of death?
    and i think you will find that damascus was originally developed because of a need to work carbon in to regular iron, and as a result of the many fold made by the smith there were locations with more carbon then others which resulted in the pattern when the blade was highly polised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by holmsy2000 View Post
    there are knives around that sell for 10's of thousands of dollars many in more threatening shapes than that one, would you call those implements of death?.

    brett
    yes I would.
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    i feel sorry for you zed, im amazed that you have such a bleak outlook on life that you think everyone is out to kill each other.
    you dont seem to be against knives alltogether because you recomednded he make a kitchen knife, perhaps you should search the internet for the amount of stabbings involving kitchen knives.

    i guess we will just have to agree to dissagree

    brett

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    Seems the discussion has drifted into uncomfortable territory! I guess there is always an element of dangerous beauty inherent in a well made knife, and that relationship can be unsettling.
    By the maker's own admission the piece is for display, but the shape itself suggests to me skinning, and for larger beasts, not rabbits! There is nothing evil or pathological about the act of skinning, quite constructive I would think. You get clean meat and useable hide. But I come from the country, grew up on a farm where meat was killed then dressed by us before it hit the table. I still do the odd chook, recently dressed a goat (yummy curry) and I have some hares around that I would rather enjoy skinning. Nasty rose and seedling eating varmints.
    Knives come in all sorts of shapes for differing purposes, much like chisels or saws, and to equate any given knife other than a kitchen or marking knife with mayhem is plain ludicrous, sorry Zed. (Is there such a thing as knifophobia!! ) Maybe things are seen differently in the big smoke, but I carry a pocket knife on my belt every day, at home or going to work in town (ie. a small city).
    So for my mind this beautiful knife of Ohno's is not a killing weapon per se, although it could be turned to such, as could a kitchen knife, a screwdriver, a hammer or a car:eek: .

    Take it easy,

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    couldn't have put it better myself andy.
    unfortunately as a semi profesional knife maker i take great offence to some of the comments made by ZED ad got a little heated.
    brett

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    dontcha just love how we live in a democracy and its ok to disagree ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zed View Post
    dontcha just love how we live in a democracy and its ok to disagree ?
    Do you eat meat?
    Art has now be-come
    Sim-ply an ex-cuse to sit
    In the Sun . What Fun!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zed View Post
    Holmsey, you wanker, if I may call you that; Sod off.
    After reading all the posts I can only say that Zed you have a problem you look at a knife handle and come to the conclusion that it will be used for killing and gutting, then abuse the poster Holmsey by calling him a wanker.
    You need to get real and in touch with reality
    After 2000 posts I have never seen the need to give any one a RED though I have recieved a few you being the most profiicent but your post to Holmsey I found disgusting and the most deserving of a RED in all my time on this forum you have your views sir but to call another member a wanker and to tell him to sod off because your views differ when he has produced a work of art makes me ask why.
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    It is a beautiful knife. Pretty threatening thing to look at but that's part of it's beauty.

    Was interested to see the Damascus blades on ebay. What would be really lovely would be to get the Damascus Laminated blades the Japanese do. I have a couple that I bought complete. A Chef's Knife a Fish Knife and a Sashimi Knife. The Chef's knife is about 35cm and reasonably light, great for vegetables and thin slicing. The Japanese use this one to shred cabbage, because it is single bevel and thinner than a western chefs knife you can really shred or slice fine.

    Fish knife is a heavy 20cm blade as it is used in part as a cleaver again single bevel

    Sashimi knife is middle weight single bevel 25cm and turns up at the end. Gives you nice straight cuts when you are turning tuna sections into little pieces that you put on sushi.

    Anyway back to Steel. What I know from chasing up Japanese Plane blades is that they are folded back on themselves to remove impurities. The Smith works over a charcoal or coal fire in his forge which introduces carbon to the steel. The plane blades are laminated as were the old Swords and the Kitchen knives now. The advantage being that you can have a really hard edge but support it with softer tougher steel to give you the benefits of both steels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Studley 2436 View Post
    The Smith works over a charcoal or coal fire in his forge which introduces carbon to the steel.
    I believe from what I have read that the introduction of nitrogen from this process into the steel also assisted in the hardening process.
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