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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl Robbers View Post
    My hatred of choice is testers and taggers.
    I find it amusing that all of the cables that are under the desk (eg. computer to wall plug) get tested, but the wiring that runs in the cavity and above the ceiling is not tested. There are probably rats in those areas that might nibble at the insulation. If the rat gets electrocuted, gets hot, and then burns that will be the source of the fire; not some cable under the desk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ErrolFlynn View Post
    I find it amusing that all of the cables that are under the desk (eg. computer to wall plug) get tested, but the wiring that runs in the cavity and above the ceiling is not tested. There are probably rats in those areas that might nibble at the insulation. If the rat gets electrocuted, gets hot, and then burns that will be the source of the fire; not some cable under the desk.
    The bolded comment above really irks me. The whole idea of testing and tagging was introduced because of things like damaged power tools and extension cords as used on worksites etc. I can understand this as they're moved around often in potential damaging environments. Because new kettle cord cables supposedly came already certified they didn't need to be tested for 12 months at work at one stage it was cheaper to replace all the computer cables under desks with new ones every time rather than to get the old ones retested. I remember seeing wheelie bins full of kettle cords and I grabbed several dozen to use in my electrical projects. This went on for a couple of years until a new rule came out that the old cords had to be tested no matter the cost.

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    The above comment is the exact observation at my workplace.

    It would cost us more money getting test/tag people to go out to the field and do their job. They require offshore survival training courses etc just to get into the chopper and get to the platforms/rigs. Much more cheaper replacing cables in such situations.

    I do wonder if the green peace activists, insurance companies, test/tag companies are working hand in hand to make a new revenue source for them selves

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    My son works in AV/Sound hire for a national company, they hire out and setup all manner of AV/sound gear from 10meter LED screens to podium mics - all of their gear must be test/tagged - he often has to work with a client to setup for a function/show using some of the client's equipment be it laptop, lighting gear, pa/mixer, ipad etc - he is absolutely forbidden to plug in anything that does not have a valid current tag, he can lay out all the cables etc but unless it has a valid tag the final step ie plugging it in is done by the client. At times this has created friction between the client and himself, to the point where now he will wear a GoPro camera if the client supplies any equipment.

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    Testing may have some positive benefits in harsh work environments. Maybe not. Safe work practices are important. This is obvious to most of us. But in an environment where people are walking around in boots who don’t care whether they stomp on a cord or not, they are the real problem. Hazards will develop quickly with that attitude. After testing is done, and given a green light, it’s quite possible that as soon as the tester has left the site someone comes along and drops a lump of steel on a cord damaging the insulation. That tag is pointless.

    Rather than having things tested and assuming everything is okay, a better plan (than test and tag) would be to look after your equipment. Treat it with respect and it will serve you well.

    In my office, the computer cables are done up in cable ties. They don’t touch the floor. Obviously, there is very little or no movement, but everything is tested year in and year out. What a ridiculous waste of money.

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    A good ending to this story, as luck would have it, yesterday a sparky was on the job at the building site a few doors down and about to finish for the day, he came and had a look, after checking the shed distribution board he offered to rewire it as it should be - once the power was switched back on he went back and tried the test button on the shed RCD - whole job took all of 10min - didn't want to take any money but didn't say no to a 6 pack of Coopers, all that was left to me was to reset all the clocks in the house.

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    I hope you got their phone number.

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    and that is how you build trust and get repeat business........

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    A good ending indeed, for you at least. Unfortunately, there is still a sparky, or someone posing as one, on the loose and performing sub standard work.
    Having said that, you also can't be expected to right all the wrongs in the world.

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    I had something like this a couple day's ago i had the main dinning room/lounge room 5kw air con going and turned the stove on and it shut the air con off even tho there are two RCD's thinking the air con is wired into the stove's line

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza2009au View Post
    I had something like this a couple day's ago i had the main dinning room/lounge room 5kw air con going and turned the stove on and it shut the air con off even tho there are two RCD's thinking the air con is wired into the stove's line
    Do you have RCD's with separate circuit breakers, or separate RCBO's for each circuit ?

    RCD's can protect multiple circuits on the one device.

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    I'm not to sure they are just RCD switches/breakers which are resettable, one for stove and another for the big A/C

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    Quote Originally Posted by kafie1980 View Post
    The above comment is the exact observation at my workplace.

    It would cost us more money getting test/tag people to go out to the field and do their job. They require offshore survival training courses etc just to get into the chopper and get to the platforms/rigs. Much more cheaper replacing cables in such situations.

    I do wonder if the green peace activists, insurance companies, test/tag companies are working hand in hand to make a new revenue source for them selves
    Late to the party but some years ago I wound up stuck on a production rig in the Timor Sea (used to do break fix on the satellite comms) and didn’t have much to do with both the fault and annual alignment of the sat gear out of the way, so I went and asked if there was anything else I could do. After retuning a couple of TV’s they said they enquired whether I could help with T&T.. I spent the next four days wandering around the rig testing everything with a cord on it waiting for the weather to clear to get a lift home..
    I don’t miss the 2am calls to be on the way to the airport for a red eye only to get bumped in favour of a new valve part or something…or making ditching preps past PNR

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