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    Hi Karl, Guys,

    except he tagged several power tools that did not work as being a pass
    Tagging non functioning power tools is a debatable issue ! If its non functioning then its a fail regardless in my opinion. It still requires testing and tagging after repair !

    I've had it stated that plugs should be cut off to prevent a failed power tool from being put back into service.

    The argument there is that another plug can easily be fitted. Then the argument is made that the plug should be moulded on making the assumption that new refittable plugs are not available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BaronJ View Post
    I've had it stated that plugs should be cut off to prevent a failed power tool from being put back into service.
    We were told during our training not to do that. The instructor said if the item under test is not your property, cutting the cord off is vandalism. I agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by racingtadpole View Post
    Celemetrix, but it won’t be cheap.
    You weren’t wrong! $400. I can’t see it being more than an hour’s work. I’ve decided not to bother having the machine tested. Having the machine tested is a “should” rather than a “shall” in the Standard.
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    Originally Posted by BaronJ
    I've had it stated that plugs should be cut off to prevent a failed power tool from being put back into service.
    Quote Originally Posted by jack620 View Post
    We were told during our training not to do that. The instructor said if the item under test is not your property, cutting the cord off is vandalism. I agree.
    No I/we were told "Plug" not cord ! If a plug was cut off it had to be placed or attached with the item that it was removed from ! It is upto the owner whether to repair or dispose of the failed item, and it should have a failed tag applied.

    The same applies if I was selling a used electrical item as "Untested", otherwise it is supposed to be tested and tagged as failed.
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    Whether you cut the plug or the cord off you are still damaging someone else’s property. I don’t know what the rules are in the UK, but in Oz AS3760 dictates how testing and tagging is to be carried out. Clause 2.4.1 says the tester must tag non-compliant equipment as unserviceable and it must be withdrawn from service. Nothing about rendering it unusable.
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    tagged several power tools that did not work as being a pass

    T&t isn't supposed to confirm the item is functional, only that it is electrically safe.

    Would you rely on a 'competent' tester to confirm that your drill/lathe/tv/computer/power supply is functioning correctly? Cutting off the plug just makes it that much harder to repair if it is faulty anyway.
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    Hi Guys, thank you for your posts !

    I can see and understand the points that you make. I don't disagree ! It enhances my understanding, It seems that the rules vary for different environments.

    Whilst having done a T&T course, from within a retail environment, it doesn't make me any more qualified or experienced than I was previously. I was never employed as a tester anyway ! It just happened that I got put on the course at the time.

    I personally didn't get any form of accreditation from going on this course, non I remember anyway. I still think that is a bandwagon jumped on as a money maker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BaronJ View Post
    I still think that is a bandwagon jumped on as a money maker.
    Compliance generally is a massive money-spinner down under. The people who ran my T&T course offer another course which qualifies you to inspect exit signs. You aren't allowed to fix them, but you are allowed to replace the battery.
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    We are in the middle of a minor bathroom reno - well, . . . . . full strip out and new for old replacements.
    My shins are still suffering from multiple bites from tile chips from removing the tiles -= shoulda worn long daks.

    Anyway this is an "extension" of one of the tiler's angle grinder cords.

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    BTW he is a top tiler - probably the best we've ever had

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    Where is the problem. It has a tag on it so none of us are qualified to determine anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jack620 View Post
    You weren’t wrong! $400. I can’t see it being more than an hour’s work. I’ve decided not to bother having the machine tested. Having the machine tested is a “should” rather than a “shall” in the Standard.
    You asked for recommendations based on an unsatisfactory experience at a cheaper facility, now it’s too expensive to take it somewhere reputable. I look at it this way, if I were to be standing in front of the coroner or a work safe investigator, would I want to be explaining my decision making? In the greater scheme of things, $400 to verify your test equipment, even for a smaller company, is not a particularly onerous sum of money, particularly when you have doubt over your equipment as it stands.

    Quote Originally Posted by BaronJ View Post
    No I/we were told "Plug" not cord ! If a plug was cut off it had to be placed or attached with the item that it was removed from ! It is upto the owner whether to repair or dispose of the failed item, and it should have a failed tag applied.

    The same applies if I was selling a used electrical item as "Untested", otherwise it is supposed to be tested and tagged as failed.
    Cutting the plug off creates a bigger hazard as it creates a potential touch point at the back of the plug should someone put the plug into an outlet (yes, they walk amongst us).

    Quote Originally Posted by BaronJ View Post
    ......I still think that is a bandwagon jumped on as a money maker.
    Yes it has spawned an industry in its own right, but that is to stop no eff’s given contractors turning up on job sites with stuff that’s unfit for use. If people could be trusted to do the right thing and not put production before safety then there would be no need for regulation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by racingtadpole View Post
    I look at it this way, if I were to be standing in front of the coroner or a work safe investigator, would I want to be explaining my decision making?
    “Your Honour, there is no requirement in AS3760 to have a PAT tester checked”

    I see where you are coming from, but my boss pays the bills and she is also the Responsible Person under the WHS Act. She told me if it’s not a requirement then don’t bother. Works for me.
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    That does make the decision making process somewhat easier

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    Sure does!
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    Quote Originally Posted by racingtadpole View Post
    If people could be trusted to do the right thing and not put production before safety then there would be no need for regulation.
    Nope, you forget bureaucracy is an industry and like any other industry it likes to grow bigger. Like I explained before. The people in the regulatory industry having got the big issues sorted go down the list to the absurd. It is no skin of the nose of the regulators as they do not have to concern themselves with any bankruptcies, mayhem or suicides they create as they are not in the industries they are regulating.

    You will notice that things that the vast majority do are lacking in regulatory requirements compared to other things. A drivers licence is an absolute classic example. Thousands killed every year, tens upon tens of thousands seriously injured, yet look at the regulatory requirement compared to what other industries have to comply with. Once you have a drivers licence, you never need re-accreditation.
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