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    Default The demise of Aussie manufacturing and more......

    For those that would like to understand why everything is imported into aus now and our own industry is kaput....start here with these 3 links........
    Lima Declaration devastated Australian industries https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccYPqp8nXt4
    Lima Declaration: The End of Australian Sovereignty https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL25iqhOKHY
    Australian Politician Ann Bressington Exposes Agenda 21 & Club of Rome https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8Va-4g0XC8


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    Our then Prime Minister John Howard stood up in front of a microphone and announced that we did not need to be a manufacturing country, we should be a smart country and help the countries who wanted to do the manufacturing. I'll never forget watching it with absolute incredulity and expressing my real thoughts here would get me in trouble.
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    Default The demise of the home workshop......

    Thank you for your post Chris.

    Has anyone in this forum thought that if our massive metal smelting forging and manufacturing industry can be demolished in a few years that it might also happen in our own sheds?

    Will you be able to use your welder and compressor.....you might also have to unplug the beer fridge

    Our hydrocarbons beneath our feet are owned by overseas interests and overseas interests are planning on converting us to a digital currency, they can do that as even the Reserve Bank Of Australia is not owned by us Australians.

    Along with this digital currency you will be accredited a social credit score and a carbon credit score and based upon these scores your money will be allocated to you or withheld from you depending on what they deem appropriate. Hey but look at the bright side fella's treadle lathes will become popular again...

    I can see the cogs ticking over.......NO NEVER..... you have to realize that it has happened on a massive scale right in front of your eyes.

    Something to ponder... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzrliPlEaU4

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    Hi Guys,

    It's not just Australia, its the same here ! Virtually all our heavy industry has gone. Everything seems to be owned by some organisation from abroad. Even some of our renound NHS services is run by American interests.
    Shades of George Orwell’s 1984...
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    Quote Originally Posted by shedhappens View Post
    For those that would like to understand why everything is imported into aus now and our own industry is kaput....start here with these 3 links........
    Lima Declaration devastated Australian industries https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccYPqp8nXt4
    Lima Declaration: The End of Australian Sovereignty https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL25iqhOKHY
    Australian Politician Ann Bressington Exposes Agenda 21 & Club of Rome https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8Va-4g0XC8

    Thank the Unions not the Govt , good tradies want $40 an hour min on the east coast plus allowances , then you got the OHS laws and work cover investigating work place safety every 5 minutes, high business insurance premiums for manufacturing , high rents ect . Add it all up and it makes it difficult to compete with overseas manufacturing. Trailers is a classic example, it cost more to buy just the materials to make a decent trailer than buy a completed hot dipped gal chinese import trailer with rego. Ol mate of mine had 16 FT staff manufacturing steel machines back in 80-90's that now are imported by his opposition , he is only 1 left in his factory and does made to order only, and basically his only advantage is saying its ''Australian made with locally made steel'' but consumers dont care , they base it on price not where its made. He also cannot get suitable staff for the money he can afford to offer.

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    I don't think we should be promoting the views of conspiracy theorists (above you tube links) on these forums.

    FWIW I still don't believe we could have sustained our economy based on bog basic manufacturing.
    We will always be outdone by larger countries with cheaper labour, proximity to markets, sloppy or no OHS, transport issues, and volume production - even if tradies were happy with $20/hr that would still not be low enough.
    For the Govt to subsidise this is nuts - it's like subsidising horses and carts or coal.

    Australia does compete well on niche/specialized manufacturing and services like mining, technology and services

    https://www.austrade.gov.au/australi...ology-services
    total yearly exports are at least A$27 billion. R&D expenditures are estimated at around A$1 billion and the sector employs approximately 31,300. Remember this is not the mineral etc but the other things need around this.


    • Capital equipment
    • Contract mining
    • Exploration
    • Mining consumables
    • Professional services including engineering and consulting
    • Software and advanced technologies – Australian suppliers have an international reputation for innovative solutions
    • Equipment supply – a range of mining equipment is in short supply at present including the supply of tyres
    I reckon this is much smarter way to go than for example trying to make 1000,000 widgets that can be me elsewhere at 1% of what it would cost here.

    Specialise Ag services are similarly well placed.

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    hi Guys,
    From the start I totally agree with sentiments expressed in these posts, As a moderator I have to point out that if the posts slide into political discussion I will have to delete the offending post.

    TOU's
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    As a general rule we do not allow discussion of politics or religion because of their contentious nature. At election time we may allow one (1) political thread.
    Lets keep this political party or that political party,countries and identities out out of it and we all should be fine.

    We can do it this way
    But! I do not want to shut down censor or anything like it, so please! let us carefully skirt around the politics and talk of the problems. We can have reasonable discussion within the rules by being careful about how we do it.Should anyone do otherwise and talk politics I'll delete the post.

    I support the re building of Aussie manufacturing because of the following reasons:

    • If the poo hits the fan and war breaks out over Taiwan the supply problems we are seeing now will pale into oblivion against what could come.
    • Think national security and having any number of essential goods available and made to a Australian standard.
      Cheap widgets are fine if they are available and if they are not going to fail prematurely
    • While higher prices painful for a certain amount of time the economy will improve as more people shall be working working in manufacturing.
    • We can't be held to ransom by a larger country cutting off or reducing our exports to them for their un associated political reasons.
    • We can partially make up the volume difference by exporting to other countries who think along the same lines as we do



    I will think about this and other subjects this weekend if I go to Bunnings,Kmart. Sydney tools knowing that facial recognition is being used on my video image as I walk around.

    Grahame the subversive metalworker

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    If I had known which way this thread was going to go I would not have contributed to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobL View Post
    I don't think we should be promoting the views of conspiracy theorists (above you tube links) on these forums.
    I find it disappointing to dismiss valid points with some knock-out "conspiracy theorist" argument. As of late, the difference between a conspiracy theory and the news headline has been as little as 6 months.

    Many people are affected by job losses and a bleak outlook of the manufacturing sector. Some others still got a job or might never be affected. However I believe some solidarity goes a long way. I would rather see my neighbour have a job than some guy in China.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grahame Collins View Post
    hi Guys,
    From the start I totally agree with sentiments expressed in these posts, As a moderator I have to point out that if the posts slide into political discussion I will have to close the thread.
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    As a general rule we do not allow discussion of politics or religion because of their contentious nature. [....]
    Grahame the subversive metalworker
    Graeme, thanks for keeping the discussion open. I would hope we can keep it factual and refrain from personal attacks.
    I believe no topic should be banned from discussion.

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    Close the thread/unsubscribed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobL View Post
    ... even if tradies were happy with $20/hr that would still not be low enough.
    For the Govt to subsidise this is nuts - it's like subsidising horses and carts or coal.
    I'm not suggesting Govt subsidise , all they need to do is bring back import tarrifs to even the playing field. Holden was forced out of production as they couldnt complete.

    But its not all bad news , take for example Patriot campers trailers , they make a great product at a very high price and selling more than they can make !! There must be at least a half a dozen local trailer makers who have been around for past 20 or 30 years in my local area alone , so maufacturing can be done successfully if you good enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron triangle View Post
    I'm not suggesting Govt subsidise , all they need to do is bring back import tarrifs to even the playing field.
    At least for the last 30 years, protectionism has had a negative connotation. Globalism was touted as the solution. It's not like we complained about cheap imports and consumption of goods made in China. Shame they failed to come up with a plan how Westerners are going to be employed in future and I deliberately don't limit it to Australia because its much the same in most Western countries.

    Spare a thought for Americans who look at the ruins of a once prosperous nation. The term rust belt has gained new meaning after the vast majority of jobs was exported to Asia.

    Its is pretty obvious the state of affairs is not a chance encounter or the way things had to develop but rather a concerted effort by vested interests.

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    I don't know where you lot think the staff are going to come from to support all this manufacturing you think we need to have. We and some other businesses we collaborate with cannot find Machinists to get the work done we already have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snapatap View Post
    I don't know where you lot think the staff are going to come from to support all this manufacturing you think we need to have. We and some other businesses we collaborate with cannot find Machinists to get the work done we already have.
    snapa I went to a secondary trade school (all male students), there i learnt the basics for many trades. I left school in 1973 as i got an apprenticeship at the age of 15, i dont know the timeline exactly but not long after this trade/technical schools were closed and the trade schooling was privatized into tafe schools....you might note that this happened about the time of the LIMA DECLARATION. Now students had to go to school for longer and get their hsc or whatever so they could go to tafe so they could get an apprenticeship, what this achieved was that many kids that were good with their hands and not so academic were lost to factory or process type of work or worked as general laborers as they had had enough of school and wanted to get out and earn a quid. So i started my apprenticeship at 15....what is the average age to start an apprenticeship now?

    Strategy (political) is a long game and most people don't see or realize that the chess pieces being moved are connected...

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    Shedhappens is absolutely spot on about the pushing of kids in to uni who really did not suit the process.


    I'll add this to it.

    These students many of whom being pushed past their abilities at uni level dropped out.
    Those were the students who would have made excellent electricians, fitters,machinists ,toolmakers diesel fitters etc.

    Instead of the that capable level of students being available the level of student intake we got was the students who would have made great painters and butchers,sign writers etc.

    I started my Tafe teaching career in 1986 and found that the old system I knew as an apprentice had been turned about and the NEW Apprenticeship was being introduced where the four years of time was swapped for a set amount of completed modules. 1st year,2nd year, 3rdyear and forth year were defined by achieving a set amount of modules.

    It was intended that apprentices could achieve trades person status by working hard and become a tradesperson in 3 years and not four by achieving modules ahead of time.

    The system may have worked if the level of the student intake were not altered.
    Instead of the students who could have coped well we got the ones who did not cope well the next level down.

    I was friends with the electrical teachers who told me the failure rate among the new apprenticeship electrical 1st year students was 60%.
    For those who did not realise this, the leccies have to be calculate electrical loads otherwise houses burn down so its a bit dis heartening when 60% of the class fails as they cant cope.IT could be expected from a student who did not have god reading and maths abilities but remember we were dealing with the level who would have made good butchers bakers and cooks.

    Consider that the NEW crop of students weren't real flash with english and maths something that the new modules depended on to make the training work.Not their fault- good kids but out of their depth.


    The problems with module training where that it was selective among employers who chose the modules that the apprentice would learn.

    Niche training is great if you at the factory making widgets and you had all the necessary modules for manufacturing widgets,but not all apprentices remained after achieving trades person status.

    If you turn up at a new employer who manufacturers sometime entirely difficult it could be difficult to catch up the appropriate training.
    The country went from having tradies who could travel anywhere and take up work to being limited to those trained in a particular niche.

    Had more thought gone in by the muppets who ran the show, Australia could be in a better place but as was mentioned ,chess pieces and strategies.

    Grahame

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