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    Quote Originally Posted by Voyager77 View Post
    Col Fletcher Prouty explains how the term "fossil fuels" came about. A real eye opener, makes you wonder what else they lied about.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSff0pwc1Xc
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    Gr8 link frank

    I read the first comment under that vid and have heard that what that bloke says is the same here in Aus, capped oil bores all over the country.....but we have to pay the singapore market price.....


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    23 years I drilled for oil all over and not once did any geologist ever call it a fossil fuel. It’s a mineral and there is so much of it. We did core samples in southern Saskatchewan in Canada and had tens of meters of oil soaked cores. I’m talking sweet light crude. Think of that to drill 4000 meters straight down and for 100’s of meters it’s nothing but oil. That’s a lot. But nothing was said they boxed it up and we cemented the well moved the rig off they cut the casing and buried it. Makes you wonder why…cause there is more oil than you can possibly imagine under our feet.

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    Hi Guys,

    Its all about profit, and who makes it !

    The yanks are very good at saying you can't do that because I make a living doing it !

    What happened to "water/petrol fuel" injection systems ? Killed off because oil company profits might be affected !

    I agree with Nuclear, RR is currently in development of physically small reactors for military use, said to be able to power a small town.

    Look at all the gas that is lost by burning off at oil fields and the like !

    Many years ago there was a "Coking Plant" near to where I was brought up, the burnable gas that was produced was fed into the towns gas supply ! The gas holders and coking plant have long gone and it is now a large shopping village !
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    To be honest i like nuclear energy but i would have liked for it to of had a moratorium on it until the waste could be completely denooked, my understanding is that the depleted uranium is much further depleted and more energy taken from it when used in a thorium reactor, thorium reactors are much safer and can be shut down quickly and also don't leave a disgusting mess for thousands of years.

    The excuse to de carbonize with nooks because CO2 is cooking the planet is pure and utter BS, CO2 is not a problem, plastics chemicals and pharmaceuticals washing into the ocean are an immediate problem that needs solving and the CO2 fantasy is probably the main reason nothing is being done about that.

    A possible way that I maybe could compromise on the nuclear issue would be a vote, the way it would work is that all the people who vote for and want nooklear power must have the nook waste distributed to them to look after in their own back yards, when they die the waste would then pass to their children and their children's children and so on for the next 20000 years or whatever.......

    Check out these future family members... https://www.google.com.au/search?q=i...h=495&dpr=1.36

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    Quote Originally Posted by shedhappens View Post
    Check out these future family members... https://www.google.com.au/search?q=i...h=495&dpr=1.36
    Hi John, I disagree, yes there are some terrible birth defects in Iraq, but there were also massive chemical gas attacks by the regime against its own population ! As far as I'm aware there were no nuclear weapons used. Maybe depleted Uranium tipped shells used for armour piercing munitions. I would label this as FUD !


    I found this information regarding ballast weights used in 747 aircraft.


    • DU is only hazardous when you come into contact with particles; especially when inhaled. In a crash severe enough to compromise the integrity of the weights; this would be your last concern. My guess is that a more safety conscious (litigious) industry and availability of alternatives led to other materials being used. – Simon
      Feb 8, 2017 at 9:35



    • This was also found on the L-1011. – Sports Racer
      Feb 9, 2017 at 22:44

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      @Simon : and in this regard DU is not in any way more hazardous than any other heavy metal, like lead or tungsten. Why it is falling out of fashion today is not because of safety concerns, but because of the hysterical public thinks "uranium = dangerous radiation or nuclear explosion hazard". However, depleted uranium, and even regular (non-enriched) uranium emits so little radiation that it's completely negligible. In fact, uranium can be used to shield against radiation (it's much denser than lead). You'll probably get more radiation from eating a banana than holding a piece of uranium. – vsz
      Jun 19, 2017 at 6:28
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    This thread has deviated from the title, but I can go with the flow. As stated earlier one of our biggest problems is not producing electricity, but storing it.

    I have long thought we are looking at the storage problem all wrong. The focus is on better batteries with all of the chemical issues that go with them. I know that there has to be a better way. For example a solar panel that uses excess energy to run an air compressor pump. The energy could be stored as very high pressure air. Or storing the energy as potential energy somehow. As a small example, the home hot water system could be 2 400 litre tanks. The first tank would be heated by power from your solar panels, once it is up to temperature the 2nd tank is heated up to just below boiling point. If there is little to no sun for a few days the second tank is putting hot water into the first. If the first tank has a duel element like what is available you would only need electricity from back up battery or grid to heat the top 100 litres or so. the other way it to have a instant gas hot water system inline on bottle gas. In a lot of areas it would use very little gas over a year as there is often some sunlight to heat the water.

    To get back to manufacturing, if I understand the melting of Aluminum to make window frames and such is a very high energy process. It would be great if we could set up a foundry that is run from a solar farm. Yes, it would not be able to be in production 365 days of the year but electricity would not have to be stored to run it. I have not done the research but it would be interesting to see a comprehensive breakdown on how electricity is used in Australia. With the data we can attack the biggest use first to find solutions to reduce or eliminate the need to store.

    In my opinion we are going the wrong way with the proposed electricity grid. There is a lot of copper and steel required to build it. We need to have small towns across Australia producing there own power. I can see the electricity grid falling into the same trap as globalised manufacturing. The moment something goes wrong everything falls in a heap. It would also be a benefit to our national security. It is much harder to shut down 500 small power producing networks than one big grid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaronJ View Post
    Hi John, I disagree, yes there are some terrible birth defects in Iraq, but there were also massive chemical gas attacks by the regime against its own population ! As far as I'm aware there were no nuclear weapons used. Maybe depleted Uranium tipped shells used for armour piercing munitions. I would label this as FUD

    Yeah that might of have been a bit disingenuous but you know what they say "the first casualty in war is the truth".
    I think the gas against his own people meme was much the same as the one where iraqi troops threw babies out of the cribs in the hospital....fiction.
    What was hardly ever talked about was the fact that the gas saddam that used to fight a proxy war for britain and the USA against iran was supplied by rumsfeld...USA..massive death count on both sides. This all happened because the puppet shah was ousted and the poms and yanks could no longer steal the oil....then the yanks got their nose out of joint because saddam had had enough of them and decided to sell his oil in currencies other than the us$, they made an example out of him and propaganda war was full tilt maxed out. Gaddafi also suffered much the same fate when he suggested a unified affrican currency...the gold dina i think..
    waffle waffle waffle....nup regardless you can have your nooks and park the rubbish from them in your own backyards, not needed anyway as we have hydrocarbons and if you did some homework you will see that CO2 is beneficial to the environment....

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    I cant help but wonder if there is a misunderstanding of what depleted Uranium is.

    Quote Originally Posted by shedhappens View Post
    To be honest i like nuclear energy but i would have liked for it to of had a moratorium on it until the waste could be completely denooked,
    If you are so worried about radioactive waste you may want to take another coal at coal first.


    Quote Originally Posted by Reidy41 View Post
    For example a solar panel that uses excess energy to run an air compressor pump. The energy could be stored as very high pressure air.
    Compressed air is a hideously inefficient way to store power. Pumped hyro is far better, good luck building the dams you need though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reidy41 View Post
    As a small example, the home hot water system could be 2 400 litre tanks. The first tank would be heated by power from your solar panels, once it is up to temperature the 2nd tank is heated up to just below boiling point. If there is little to no sun for a few days the second tank is putting hot water into the first. If the first tank has a duel element like what is available you would only need electricity from back up battery or grid to heat the top 100 litres or so. the other way it to have a instant gas hot water system inline on bottle gas. In a lot of areas it would use very little gas over a year as there is often some sunlight to heat the water.
    I dont see much advantage in two tanks, the first tank should be at something like 70C anyway. And you have to pay for two tanks and a pump and some controls. Just have a big tank(and 400l is pretty big) and a tempering valve(as many DHWS already have)

    Quote Originally Posted by Reidy41 View Post
    To get back to manufacturing, if I understand the melting of Aluminum to make window frames and such is a very high energy process. It would be great if we could set up a foundry that is run from a solar farm. Yes, it would not be able to be in production 365 days of the year but electricity would not have to be stored to run it.
    Do you know why Aluminum is also called "solidified electricity"? I think you'll find melting it isn't the issue, refining it is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reidy41 View Post
    In my opinion we are going the wrong way with the proposed electricity grid. There is a lot of copper and steel required to build it. We need to have small towns across Australia producing there own power. I can see the electricity grid falling into the same trap as globalised manufacturing. The moment something goes wrong everything falls in a heap. It would also be a benefit to our national security. It is much harder to shut down 500 small power producing networks than one big grid.
    You know that's how we started out right? there are reasons we went to nation wide grids(well if you don't count them westerners). "The moment something goes wrong everything falls in a heap" please refresh my memory, when was the last time "everything" fell in a heap? Now I do recall the USA having a bad one but not here, so I am to take from that that nothing has ever gone wrong here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stustoys View Post
    I cant help but wonder if there is a misunderstanding of what depleted Uranium is.

    If you are so worried about radioactive waste you may want to take another coal at coal first.
    Yes Stu, we should really be referring to it as radioactive waste not depleted uranium.....
    https://world-nuclear.org/informatio...realities.aspx

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    Hello Stustoys

    Thanks for your comments. I guess I misinterpreted my audience and did not clearly make my point. I will try and keep it simple to avoid ambiguity.

    I personally thinks there may be better alternatives to energy storage than batteries, unfortunately I don't have the answers.

    I put some suggestions out there, I am comfortable with them not being good ones. In my experience, which may be limited, innovative ideas are often generated from alternative basic ideas. I have found in a mature conversation of intelligent people there will be someone who goes, that idea has problems, but have you thought about this variation or improvement of it. The other question that sometimes gets asked is why did you choose this approach. This process may happen a few, or many times, but the end result is a well thought out alternative as a result of constructive conversation. I once heard a very interesting quote. For success to happen you don't have to be the smartest person in the room. You just have to be smart enough to see who it is at that particular instant.

    On the electricity grid front I may have not understood the problems South Australia had a few years ago with rolling blackouts. I thought they were grid related.

    On the comment Do you know why Aluminum is also called "solidified electricity"? I think you'll find melting it isn't the issue, refining it is. I may be missing something or suspect I should have used the word refine instead of melt. I have never heard the solidified electricity comment before. If it means what I think it does I think my point probably remains valid. Can you also explain what is being made solidified from a molten state.

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    This thread is 10 days old now and I can see that the punters in here don't realize that every political system is flawed and every bureaucracy is corrupt, those 2 institutions are supported and enabled by a complicit media who steer your thoughts and what you think is your knowledge. A bit like moving sheep from one paddock to the next.

    I also can't help but notice that no one appears to have watched the videos in the links provided, only one person out of all of you seemed to be aware about the substance of those vids.

    What is the reason that our Industry has been diminished and why have we allowed our resources, wealth and financial system to be largely taken from us by overseas interests, all aided and abetted by those that we employed to look after those things for us......

    Do I see a zombie apocalypse in motion

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    Quote Originally Posted by shedhappens View Post
    What is the reason that our Industry has been diminished and why have we allowed our resources, wealth and financial system to be largely taken from us by overseas interests, all aided and abetted by those that we employed to look after those things for us......
    Apply Hanlon’s razor and then apply Ockham’s razor and you have your answer..

    You keep mentioning ‘they’.. who are they in particular, the bourgeoisie, the government, big pharma, the martians?

    You’ve had 10 days to spruik a bunch of problems, what are the solutions?

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    OK.! Then

    Everyone (I hope) who wanted to post has posted and I think nothing further is to be gained by letting it run on and on.

    I don't see one side or the other changing their mind over what has been offered.

    Sooner or later some one will post something that I may have to take action on, with unfortunate results.

    I will close it the thread to avoid that.

    Thank you for contributions

    Grahame

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