Thread: The demise of Aussie manufacturing and more......

Originally Posted by Voyager77

Chris - Self proclaimed experts was not directed at you personally but a general observation.
You really aren't contributing anything of value to this discussion, so perhaps best if you actually see yourself out and spare us.

All the best,
Frank

So did you do it?.....look in the mirror, you are the one doing the pontificating on all that is wrong with the world which is exactly what you accuse others of doing.

I think I will hang around and have a bit of fun winding you up.

Originally Posted by Chris Parks

So did you do it?.....look in the mirror, you are the one doing the pontificating on all that is wrong with the world which is exactly what you accuse others of doing.

I think I will hang around and have a bit of fun winding you up.

I am thinking that if you want act like a troll then we will just ignore you completely....

Originally Posted by shedhappens

I am thinking that if you want act like a troll then we will just ignore you completely....

Maybe you haven't got a mirror? I haven't had this much fun in a long time and I certainly am not going to help you with any comments on my thoughts. So what is it, no mirror or you haven't done it yet?

Originally Posted by topari

Toyota left Australia because the courts would not allow them to renegotiate their EBA.

I recall the CEO of Toyota came to Australia and gave a speech after he had decided to cease manufaturing in Oz. He was lamenting about a long weekend in Victoria where the Friday was the public holiday. I forget the number, but some huge proportion of the workers called in sick on the Monday. He said they couldn't operate in an environment like that.

We did this to ourselves.

Originally Posted by Chris Parks

I think I will hang around and have a bit of fun winding you up.

Don't be a goose. We don't need that here.

I always get a laugh when people make a comment like "unsubscribed" or "I'm out!" and leave in high dudgeon, only to return a few days later and comment.

The article below dated November 15, 2021 is a bit of insight into the lack of foresight or even maybe just plain wishful thinking.....

I know people in the electrical trades and they have all said we don't have enough copper (meaning power transmission supply) nor the power generation potential because our coal power really needs to be expanded not demolished.

However I do like the sound of a Hydrogen economy and if they refine the technology for Thorium reactors and this became a thing I would be happy with that, on a side note I think the only reason that has not happened already is because the current nuclear reactors actually manufacture materials for military use.

Is there enough lithium and cobalt for the batteries, where will that come from......gunna need an absolute s##t load of those??

So they tell us that they are planning on us giving up our lovely CO2 plant food producing cars and replacing them with electric cars that we don't currently have the electricity supply to charge them all in the one street let alone across the country?

Do any of you fella's know how they are going to charge the lecky cars and busses and also power the remaining industry retail outlets street lights ect and homes all at the same time and do all this by 2040?

I have mentioned "The Forth Industrial Revolution", what that is about is Quantum computing and AI Robotics, so they won't need you anyway, you actually won't need a car......that sure is a relief to me to think that all those less lecky cars that are not needed might mean that there will be a little power left over for us all to cook our insect protein dinners, don't worry about getting a bit hypothermic as you will be connected to the internet by technology under your skin and if there is any power or gas and you have not used your carbon credits then the AI internet will warm you up for an exorbitant fee.

Yeah I know this is all getting a bit weird..... don't shoot the messenger tho as these are pretty much their words not mine....they talk freely about this stuff, so for those not up with it they need to get up with it and if you hear someone say that it is all a conspiracy theory then you will know that person is an uninformed nuffy.....

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"Transportation

Big pledges to boost electric vehicles.

COP26 gave more attention than ever to transportation, with mixed results thanks to the mess of global aspirations and national politics. Transport is the largest emitter of greenhouse gases in many countries and, after renewable electricity, the second most important strategy for reaching net zero emissions.

More than 30 countries and six automakers pledged to end sales of internal combustion vehicles by 2040. The list had some notable no-shows – including the US, Germany, Japan and China, and the two largest automotive companies, Volkswagen and Toyota – but was still impressive. The shift to electric vehicles was already unequivocal. Electric vehicles (EVs) reached 20% of sales in Europe and China in recent months, and both are headed for full electrification of new cars by 2035 or so.

The transition to electric and hydrogen trucks is about to follow a similar path. Fifteen countries agreed to work toward transitioning all new trucks and buses to zero emissions by 2040. California already requires 70% of sales in most truck categories to be zero emissions by 2035. China is on a similar trajectory. These are non-binding agreements, but they are made easier by the roughly 50% drop in battery costs since the Paris accord.

Aviation is tougher because electrification is currently only possible for short flights and smaller planes. The US, UK and others agreed to promote sustainable aviation fuels. It’s a start.

Some lament the focus on EVs further locking in car-centric living. But to reduce greenhouse gases, vehicle electrification (including hydrogen) is the most effective and economic approach to decarbonize transportation – by far." https://theconversation.com/cop26-ex...ow-pact-171753

Hi Guys,

I think that a "Hydrogen" economy would not work unless we could find a very much cheaper way of producing it !
It costs more in terms of electricity to produce the hydrogen than using the electricity directly !

And there is storage problems ! Hydrogen atoms are small enough to migrate through steel ! OK we can reduce the losses by making the steel thicker, which means heavier and more costly to produce and transport. Altogether a no win situation.

Originally Posted by BaronJ

Hi Guys,

I think that a "Hydrogen" economy would not work unless we could find a very much cheaper way of producing it !
It costs more in terms of electricity to produce the hydrogen than using the electricity directly !

And there is storage problems ! Hydrogen atoms are small enough to migrate through steel ! OK we can reduce the losses by making the steel thicker, which means heavier and more costly to produce and transport. Altogether a no win situation.

John as far as i am aware they have talked about using solar wind or maybe even nuclear power to produce it, i think that the main concern with handling was hydrogen embrittlement but they also have shown in testing that it can be contained for some time before that becomes an issue.
Stan Meyer is the bloke to talk to about hydrogen.....pity he is dead.

Originally Posted by shedhappens

even nuclear power to produce it.

Imo nuclear power stations are the way to go right now , we have an abundance of yellow cake + it burns cleaner than coal and if the result is we get cheaper electricity this will help reboot manufacturing locally as it lowers operating costs. The advantages of nuclear power far outweigh the disadvantages and all the risks.

Originally Posted by BaronJ

Hi Guys,

I think that a "Hydrogen" economy would not work unless we could find a very much cheaper way of producing it !
It costs more in terms of electricity to produce the hydrogen than using the electricity directly !

And there is storage problems ! Hydrogen atoms are small enough to migrate through steel ! OK we can reduce the losses by making the steel thicker, which means heavier and more costly to produce and transport. Altogether a no win situation.

yep It amazes me. To manufacture hydrogen requires energy...electrical. Now to produce hydrogen that is going to produce energy cheaper than the cost of energy that is used to create it sounds like utter BS..its akin to perpetual energy

Originally Posted by Iron triangle

Imo nuclear power stations are the way to go right now , we have an abundance of yellow cake + it burns cleaner than coal and if the result is we get cheaper electricity this will help reboot manufacturing locally as it lowers operating costs. The advantages of nuclear power far outweigh the disadvantages and all the risks.

yep!

I remember the words of my old university lecturer in Thermodynamics; given the world's increasing appetite for energy, he just couldn't see the demand being met without at least some nuclear power generation.

Salv

Originally Posted by Salv

he just couldn't see the demand being met without at least some nuclear power generation.

There's plenty of it. Just not here. The public debate on energy seems to boil down to: carbon bad, radiation bad. Solar good, wind good. If only we could work out to store renewables cost-effectively.

Nuclear has HUGE problems, for a start earthquakes and radioactive waste.....

Anyway nuclear it is not needed as we have plenty of coal and gas and crude oil, does anyone here know about the abiotic hydrocarbon hypothesis ? It was that theory the ruskies put into practice with super deep oil drilling at the end of the cold war....The basic idea is that hydrocarbons are created by processes deep within the planet and that the story that everyone has been told that oil is made from trillions of dead dinosaurs and other critters and a few trees sprinkled in is total BS....

For a bit more understanding maybe go back and have a look at the temperature charts in post #19, you will see that the planet has had a small temp spike since about 1900AD but the general trend has been downhill for 3500yrs and the other chart that goes back 450000yrs indicates that our planet is overdue for another plunge in temperatures.

I supplied the vid links in the post #1 to give you all a bit of an idea about how the green movement has been used to thieve your industries and hydrocarbons from you, also you need to put this quote into a search engine "The great global warming swindle Full version" you will find it on many different video platforms.

If you dont look at those links you will never know what is actually going on and you wont find out from looking at the telly..coz they wont tell you...

A bit more info that might help...

Global Warming – the Short Version of Why the Anthropogenic CO2 Theory is Wrong Global Warming Nutshell

The Urban Heat Effect Urban Heat Effect

Col Fletcher Prouty explains how the term "fossil fuels" came about. A real eye opener, makes you wonder what else they lied about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSff0pwc1Xc


Cheers
Frank