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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelinround
    In China they must work!
    I'd say that's the case in the US - and here to a lesser extent, too many living a hand-to-mouth existence! The crazy, conspiracy laden, liberty or death stuff that seems prevalent over there probably comes from economic insecurity even for skilled tradespeople.

    The Chinese employed in Wuhan got full pay for the duration of their more draconian confinement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nigelpearson View Post
    Adult toys. That means woodturning lathes and 3D printers, right?
    Wood turning lathes and 3D printers would be most likely in the first category, I was referring to the latex variety

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    Here I thought You'all were talking about the USA as it sounds the same.

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    Talking to the owner of the local nut and bolt shop yesterday, he said there was no one in Australia making nuts and bolts. That is sad.

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    Yes, near me was Premier Fasteners. In March they auctioned all their heavy machinery, many heading machines and tooling die sets, that probably hadn't had operators for decades.

    I visited their shop at 4:45PM one day last year to get some hex-socket cap screws. Closing time is 5PM. The guy behind the counter said they had "already turned off the computer" and to come back another day.

    I don't know if they were just depressed over being a reseller of cheap imported stock, but that attitude didn't encourage me to come back. I ordered online from https://www.boltandnut.com.au instead, and it arrived in 2 days.

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    I'd say the chances of large scale employing thousands of people in meaningful and profitable manufacturing returning to Oz are near zero.

    What most folks don't realize is that profitable large scale manufacturing these days is fully or near fully automated and the remaining jobs are nearly all at very low, poorly paid, mind numbing level, like feeding the robots or maybe in quality control.

    This is is link provided to me by Bob Thomas.
    Its a Li-ion manufacturing plant in china.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZBQzLfCKpw

    Take a look at how many "meaningful" jobs the people working on the assembly lines are doing. Ask yourself, how many Aussies including yourself would be prepared to do those sorts of jobs?
    Anyway it won't be too long before those jobs will all be automated as well.

    This hit me many years ago when revisiting the old Pemberton saw mill that my dad worked at for a few years during the early 1950's. At that time there were ~400 workers, many JUST manually moving sawn timber around. About 30 years ago the mill was automated and only 9 people could produce as much output as the 400 blokes.

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    Ropetangler sad to say we still have situatipns in construction be that multistory or urban homes, off the grid dwellings even kids play areas which although the over regulation doesnt seem to stop morons from exsisting.
    Corruption from all walks of life and none are on welfare but seem to have their hands either deep in others pockets or held out for their additional %. Of course ni tax paid on that! Then the cashies whixh again do not bring to the tax table the cut it should be. This happens from CEOs down the chain.

    As for SS Kryn every politician since they got the tax free pension plus gov heads of depts, judges, through the line down from them once retired all get paid from the same taxes WE ALL now pay its called GST! None of us dodge that bullet even SS recipient's!

    One thing I hope to never hear again is whingers who have never before been on SS payments but have had to endure the queues, the questions, the deathly stare of disbilieve of centerlink staff. The need to prove all your assets etc etc or medical condition/s so you can recieve the now less than 1/3 of lowest weekly average wage fortnightly! BUT still havev to pay for everything at same cost as everyone else!

    It is heart breaking to sit and listen nightly of those who now are out of work, have had to suffer pay cuts, salary drops etc etc but their proporty or investment portfolio is such it could keep 3 people on SS for 3 years. Not to mention their mored cruiser, acerage in the country, os holiday homes.

    The virus if it came from the wet market is from those who work the land, work the sea, hunt for the animal's daily to earn the little they get to survive. Not from the city dwellers!

    In my various rolls of employment, contracting or otherwise observing work colleagues, bosses, employers, etc etc for what they refuse to do be they union or not astounds me. Quick to give reasons why! That includes cleaning up after themselves in staff kitchens etc. NOT MY JOB!

    I appreciate those who have chosen to be self employed they know it is only them they can lay blame to. I pity them atm for they will be hardest hit if contracts cease.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nigelpearson View Post
    Yes, near me was Premier Fasteners. In March they auctioned all their heavy machinery, many heading machines and tooling die sets, that probably hadn't had operators for decades.

    I visited their shop at 4:45PM one day last year to get some hex-socket cap screws. Closing time is 5PM. The guy behind the counter said they had "already turned off the computer" and to come back another day.

    I don't know if they were just depressed over being a reseller of cheap imported stock, but that attitude didn't encourage me to come back. I ordered online from https://www.boltandnut.com.au instead, and it arrived in 2 days.
    The owner just wanted out and tried to sell it as a going concern for a prolonged time. I can almost be certain who served you from the description, ha....the stock wan't low quality and that guy was buying stuff for his own resale. Pity you didn't need a few shcs then, whole dexion rows packed with them went for a pittance.

    Don't know what happened with the machines, on the first day, there were quite a few fastener people in attendance on the second. Some of those large sized stainless steel fastener pallets they bid on, were an absolute steal. I bought about 250k screws in one lot we use all the time for $50 which would get you 2000 normally, a mate bought $8000 worth of specialist fasteners for his construction business for under $200.

    I think the old Ajax fastener site at Marrickville bit the dust recently with the metro construction area running through it, we'll have dubious Indian 14.9 sockets to look forward to in future probably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunch View Post
    The owner just wanted out and tried to sell it as a going concern for a prolonged time. I can almost be certain who served you from the description, ha....the stock wan't low quality and that guy was buying stuff for his own resale. Pity you didn't need a few shcs then, whole dexion rows packed with them went for a pittance.

    Don't know what happened with the machines, on the first day, there were quite a few fastener people in attendance on the second. Some of those large sized stainless steel fastener pallets they bid on, were an absolute steal. I bought about 250k screws in one lot we use all the time for $50 which would get you 2000 normally, a mate bought $8000 worth of specialist fasteners for his construction business for under $200.

    I think the old Ajax fastener site at Marrickville bit the dust recently with the metro construction area running through it, we'll have dubious Indian 14.9 sockets to look forward to in future probably.
    A company son was working for connected to major concern many of us deal with, they joined into one of the other more prominent companies. 40t skip filled with brand name new boxes and sent to Simms. Stainless Steel, High Tensile, brass nuts, bolts & washers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelinround View Post
    A company son was working for connected to major concern many of us deal with, they joined into one of the other more prominent companies. 40t skip filled with brand name new boxes and sent to Simms. Stainless Steel, High Tensile, brass nuts, bolts & washers.
    Not quite in the same league but an old school hardware contacted our mens shed back in 2018 and asked us if we wanted some (mostly imperial) galv, bolts nuts, coach bolts etc. I envisaged couple of boxes but when we got there he showed us a 2m high and about 3m long wall rack of plastic bins and said - this is them - make sure you take the lot. What was happening was the bulk fasteners were taking up too much room and more money was to be made out of bubble packs of bolts. ie customer needs one bolt but has to buy a pack of 4!

    We took the lot. My van was sitting low so it would have been well over the ton, plus a trailer with about 500kg in it and some in the boot of another car. The hardware owner wouldn't let us haves the wall rack (he let us take the stuff away in the plastic bins but we had to bring them back). Fortunately we had picked up a similar set of racks and bins from a hospital salvage site to cope with storing them. Funny thing is the hospital bins are marked with the names of various medications so when you send someone to get the 1/4" gutter bolt bin you asked them to look out for the bin marked cholesterol meds.

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