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    ...the world has tilted on its axis. Our ABC actually has some factual reporting for a change...

    “...on ABC News tonight is an ABC journalist saying for the first time that it is “current fire management practices” that are the problem...”.

    Skeptics win on fires: ABC quietly flips ? suddenly it?s fire management not climate change to blame « JoNova




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    John

    Hopefully pic is attached. This was taken outside my place at midday. Vision is about 400 meters. A mate said it was down to about 200 at Brookvale this morning.

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    Thankyou for this very interesting reading !
    It reminds me of the quote "Don't let the truth get in the way of the news !" This goes for our politicians as well !

    Quote Originally Posted by YBAF View Post
    ...the world has tilted on its axis. Our ABC actually has some factual reporting for a change...

    “...on ABC News tonight is an ABC journalist saying for the first time that it is “current fire management practices” that are the problem...”.

    Skeptics win on fires: ABC quietly flips ? suddenly it?s fire management not climate change to blame « JoNova




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    Best Regards:
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    Binna Burra resort burns in September 2019. Via our ABC...

    “...We've never had these sort of conditions at this time of year, and we have to be able to build infrastructure that can adapt to those changing conditions of climate.....”

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-...rland/11489860

    Meanwhile, a few miles away back in August 1946...

    “...Heavy damage has been caused by big bush fires which have been raging since 6pm yesterday in the Numinbah Valley and the surrounding hills. The fire started, it is believed, on the Palen Creek Prison Farm, and quickly spread to adjoining country. Farmers and their families, sawmill hands and others, fought the fire all night and this morning many of them were exhausted. In some cases farmers have lost all their grass and many miles of fencing. Much valuable timber also has been lost. No loss of life has been reported, but several fire fighters have bad narrow escapes. The fire, which is still burning, will be a serious blow to farmers, who are already suffering from the effects of drought...”

    https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/188724409


    Or in December 1977...


    “...Heavy rain was falling on the Binnaburra National Park in south-east Queensland last night bringing hopes that a huge bushfire would be brought under control. The fire began last Thursday from a lightning strike in the tinder dry bushland and has raged through sections of the Lamington Plateau destroying at least two square kilo metres of unique native flora in an area known as Dave's Creek... ..."The fire has been sweeping along the edge of a ridge known as Shipstern Range and has been almost impossible to contain"...”

    https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/110883483




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    Hi Guys,

    More on the news yesterday and this morning about fires burning out of control and showing the fire chief saying that there are over a hundred fires burning out of control in NSW. They were critical of the Governments failure to provide any assistance for people affected by the fires. They also showed a world map showing the fires that were raging around the globe.

    The other news Item was that there are two bodies that they have not been able to recover from the volcano and saying that it could be that they have been washed out to sea and may never be recovered.
    Best Regards:
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    Quote Originally Posted by BaronJ View Post
    Hi Guys,

    More on the news yesterday and this morning about fires burning out of control and showing the fire chief saying that there are over a hundred fires burning out of control in NSW. They were critical of the Governments failure to provide any assistance for people affected by the fires. They also showed a world map showing the fires that were raging around the globe...
    Err, what’s the “fires raging around the globe” got to do with the NSW government ?

    I once had six seperate spot fires burning in my paddocks. If there were 100 fires burning around the state back then, then I would of had 6% of the states fires in my paddocks..




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    Hi Guys,

    I think they were trying to illustrate that global warming was to blame !

    Changing the subject, your PM has to take some stick for going on holiday to Hawaii ! One reporter described it as "fiddling while Australia burns" !
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    Quote Originally Posted by BaronJ View Post
    Hi Guys,

    I think they were trying to illustrate that global warming was to blame !

    Changing the subject, your PM has to take some stick for going on holiday to Hawaii ! One reporter described it as "fiddling while Australia burns" !
    ”Changing the subject”... So, now they want to blame the P.M. for the fires AND global warming..

    BaronJ, some suggested reading for ya:

    *”Fire in America, S J Pyne” (first print back in the 40’s) I think this book will cover “fires around the world’ well enough.

    *And for Oz: https://trove.nla.gov.au/.
    An example from Trove: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/188062420

    BaronJ, the historical literature on bush fire is quiet extensive and a bit of reading will show our current Oz fires are Not the largest or most extensive fires of history.




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    Quote Originally Posted by BaronJ View Post
    Hi Guys,

    I think they were trying to illustrate that global warming was to blame !
    Black Friday 1939

    The bushfires of 13 January 1939, known as the Black Friday fires, followed a long drought and a severe, hot, dry summer.

    https://www.ffm.vic.gov.au/history-a...ck-friday-1939

    Sound familiar?

    Quote Originally Posted by BaronJ View Post
    Changing the subject, your PM has to take some stick for going on holiday to Hawaii ! One reporter described it as "fiddling while Australia burns" !
    Do they really think the firefighters would want him and all the other useless twats following him, hanging around getting in the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaronJ View Post

    Changing the subject, your PM has to take some stick for going on holiday to Hawaii ! One reporter described it as "fiddling while Australia burns" !
    All emergencies are state issues. There are no federal emergency services personnel other then people who give money to the states to pay for the emergencies.

    To add a different perspective, we currently have a very bad drought in Australia, there are far more people under stress from it then from these fires, yet I have not heard boo from drought affected people complaining the PM was on holidays.

    If you look at where these fires are happening one thing that seems very common is hilly terrain and lots and lots of trees. To top it off one of the major causes is the very rare Antarctic Sudden Stratospheric Warming event that happened a few months ago. It was even said back then it would cause a bad fire season. Add into the mix houses in hilly heavily vegetated terrain, and a public mindset that risks must never be taken and trees must never be cleared which leads to few vegetation reduction burns taking place and you end up with what is happening.

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    Thanks Guys,

    There is a lot of interesting history and useful information here, it nicely shows how the press dramatise things !

    We normally would not see or hear of events in Australia to this extent. Thanks also for the "Trove" link. I had no idea about the history of bush fire events at all. Indeed I was quite ignorant of them.
    Best Regards:
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    Unfortunately whether it be fire storm or drought you will generally only see it publicised if the events encroach on or near a major city, I believe this is International or Domestic.
    Yes nationally it will be published for a day or 2 to gain some type of sympathy after that short period nothing unless it makes BAD news.
    Here n Australia you don't see many or any reports once it leaves the national news, it only in my opinion seems to be covered by local area media, if something needs to be reported or asked for it seems to be a struggle in the general media.
    It has really in my opinion only in the last 25 years in Australia that the State and Federal Governments have shown any great care to the effected people, prior to this it was in my opinion mainly an issue between the effected and there insurance company, and that would only be after fighting these companies, the government didn't won't to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pipeclay
    Unfortunately whether it be fire storm or drought you will generally only see it publicised if the events encroach on or near a major city, I believe this is International or Domestic.
    Yes nationally it will be published for a day or 2 to gain some type of sympathy after that short period nothing unless it makes BAD news.
    Dispute that. Not sure if there's an archive of Queen's speeches for our English member, but there's probably been 40 years I can recall of her sending condolence messages to her commonwealth subjects here with natural disaster - and they've mostly been rural.

    Quote Originally Posted by RC
    All emergencies are state issues. There are no federal emergency services personnel other then people who give money to the states to pay for the emergencies.
    Sorta. ADF has been involved for a long time in domestic emergency relief, but they seem to draw the line at fires - except for stupidly starting a massive blaze several years back during a fire ban.

    Mate lost his old house and sheds and 40 acres last week up in Bilpin, he's not entirely unhappy, as his old missus got them in the divorce and did zero brush clearing since.

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    Meanwhile, in Queensland...


    • 83% reduction in overall completed fire prevention activities
    • 75% reduction in completed hazard reduction burns
    • 82% reduction in completed fire breaks
    • 88% reduction in community education activities


    https://mysunshinecoast.com.au/news/...-inquiry,61782



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    Default The fires are still going.

    HI Baron, from the Hawkesbury River in NSW,
    It's now almost a month since you started this thread and there are still 320 big fires burning along the east Coast of Australia and in other states, over 10 million hectares ( 24,710500 acres) have been razed so far and over two thousand homes and countless livestock and animals, I think around 12 people have died, over 3000 people had to evacuate onto a beach in a holiday town and they were rescued by Navy ships. It's absolutely mind blowing. and, Summer has only just begun, they are saying the fires will go for another two months. Thousands are homeless, while our so- called leader of the country sits on his hands and does nothing, it's catastrophic.

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