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16th Nov 2019, 11:48 AM #16Pink 10EE owner
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It could still indirectly be the fault of the workers simply because they are there.
It would certainly simplify matters if they could be 100% replaced by disposable robots.
You think of what a business owner has to do with employees in Australia. They have to be appropriately trained with a paper trail showing that training. The worksite has to be appropriately safe to the standards set by the regulator which may or may not be practical. Then if the employee gets injured, due to the complexity of the regulations written by people with limited practical experience you could very well be prosecuted regardless.
Then there is wages, we have all seen in the news of employees being improperly paid, despite the hysteria to the contrary often it is by accident due to the complexity of the system.
A poor performing employee whose employment has ceased then can go the employer for unfair dismissal and there have been some quite bizarre cases where employees have won. https://www.smartcompany.com.au/peop...ismissal-case/Gold, the colour of choice for the discerning person.
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16th Nov 2019, 08:19 PM #17Member: Blue and white apron brigade
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16th Nov 2019, 09:37 PM #18
In the begining !
Hi Guys,
I see it this way... With the start of the industrial revolution, the western world, Great Britain in particular developed machinery to make cloth. With the development of the Iron furnaces those machines were now made using it. Entrepreneurs started to develop machines to do the work that was previously done by hand using skilled workers. Lathes were starting to be made using Iron, then milling machines.
The industrial revolution was just that, things just couldn't be made fast or cheap enough ! Work was moved to places where it was cheaper, so that is where the technology moved. India is just one country that started to use our own technology against the west by producing goods and machinery much cheaper than we did. And so it moved on.
Capitalists took advantage of this to make even more money at the expense of the general population ! You only have to look at the large conglomerates that no longer do anything in Europe. The Chinese are doing the same now ! Simply because they can do it much cheaper and they are developing their own skills that don't migrate to the west. The technology transfer is one way !
True we have some skills that are particular to ourselves, but unless we are able to develop new things and new skills, its all downhill from here.
JMTPWBest Regards:
Baron J.
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17th Nov 2019, 08:53 PM #19Golden Member
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Thanks for all the responses,
Looks like it was a fairly optimistic comment that I heard on the news.
Every now and then I bump into the idea that one day we might all be living an easy luxurious life surrounded by machines doing all the work.
Bill
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17th Nov 2019, 09:06 PM #20Most Valued Member
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18th Nov 2019, 10:13 AM #21Member
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Manufacturing won't be as we remember big factories with big queues of employees,
Australia still has an electronics industry that still exists because its automated,
Sanjeev Gupta is re tooling the Whyala steel works to make high value steel products and leave the cheap end of the market to the Chinese and India etc
and as far a slagging of workers for been Lazy or over payed, have a look at Germany or Norway for pay rates and conditions ,working hours etc, and being some feel quite strongly about it ,maybe set an example by asking for a pay reduction and have your work hours extended at your place of employment or if you are self employed, drop your hourly rate by a substantial amount, lead by example !
the return of manufacturing to Australia isn't going to be what it was in the 1950's 60's or even the 1970's its a whole different kettle of fish
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19th Nov 2019, 10:30 PM #22
Hi Guys,
Here in the UK we are now totally reliant on the Chinese for what is left of the steel manufacturing industry. We will never get it back ! Virtually all the heavy engineering has gone. The wool mills are now being converted into housing. Almost all our cloth and clothes come from what used to be the markets that the UK once supplied ! Now they supply us at a much lower cost.
Capitalism only shifts wealth one way, and that is upwards ! It only works while there are enough people that are earning enough to be able to pay for it.Best Regards:
Baron J.
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20th Nov 2019, 11:34 AM #23Senior Member
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Toyota Australia would still be building cars in Australia if they had been allowed to renegotiate their EBA.
The EBA is sacrament come heaven or high water.
Our Industrial Relations system, which I view as form of institutionalised racketing and largely as a welfare system for lawyers, is far too one sided. Unless voting patterns change and the electorate is offered better choices, Australia will continue on its current path.
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