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    Default Adventures with a jolly green giant

    I decided recently that it was finally time to do something about the things on my Takisawa TSL1000D lathe that have been niggling me.
    Mainly that the cross slide and its leadscrew need some work, and lately I seem to be doing more work in the 40-60mm diam range with a bit of length - which is frustrating as hell when you've only got a 37mm bore in the spindle.

    Long story short - a solution to my frustrations turned up today:




    A 1969 Dean Smith & Grace 2112x100 - aka the Jolly Green Giant....
    81mm spindle bore and a cross-slide that probably has more surface area in its ways than the whole of my Takisawa bed.
    Enough swing for a decent size engine flywheel, and enough length for vehicle propshafts or hydraulic cylinders.
    I'd initially dismissed it as too big, but when I actually did some measurements I found it would be a good fit for along the end wall of the workshop and was practically as big as I could go.




    Funny how machines always look smaller on the truck than they do when you go to fit them in your workshop.





    Plan is to give it a bit of a clean up, then get it functional so I can start using it. Not sure yet whether it will get a coat of paint amongst that, but if it does it won't be a strip down restoration, it will be paintbrush one.

    I typically try and slip my unannounced projects into the shed under cover of darkness - then play the "had it for ages" card when the boss notices a couple of months later.
    Unfortunately today she was working from home, and I knew I'd been sprung when the truck pulled up out the front - and a few seconds later I got a TXT with "where the * are you going to put that!!!"

    Not hard to see why the DSG’s weigh about twice as much as an equivalent size import lathe.
    Serious webs there…about 300mm deep!!




    Steve

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    Nice one Steve, how long before you need one the next size up?????
    Kryn
    To grow old is mandatory, growing up is optional.

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    Thanks Kryn. For a bunch of reasons I can't see me ever going "the next size up"
    Not saying it's the last lathe I ever buy, but pretty sure it will be the largest one.

    Steve

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    Quote Originally Posted by OxxAndBert View Post
    I decided recently that it was finally time to do something about the things on my Takisawa TSL1000D lathe that have been niggling me.
    Mainly that the cross slide and its leadscrew need some work, and lately I seem to be doing more work in the 40-60mm diam range with a bit of length - which is frustrating as hell when you've only got a 37mm bore in the spindle.

    Long story short - a solution to my frustrations turned up today:
    And here's me thinking that the solution was going to be that you've finally gotten hold of the right steadies for the Takisawa to turn bigger work.

    Michael

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    c6abdc1c6f95ec2324319977f7404112.jpg (768×1024) (tapatalk-cdn.com)

    Cant be that big if you managed to move it in there with a sack truck....

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    Steve that lathe is a pisser, are you going to be able to use the fork to get larger/heavier jobs in and out of it?
    ie move the stuff away at the right, looks a bit tight in there, or maybe a mono rail above it

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    Thanks Shed.
    I’ve definitely got some reorganizing to do - basically made a space to get it inside.
    First thing is to decide where the lathe is actually going to sit. I was going to put it up against the wall, but the electrical box is on the back side so I wouldn’t have access.

    Current thinking is to pretty much leave it where it is for access and use the spare area behind for a stock rack.

    Definitely going to need some sort of monorail. Aside from actual jobs, there’s no way I could even think about lifting the 400mm 4 jaw chuck on.

    Steve

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    Quote Originally Posted by OxxAndBert View Post
    there’s no way I could even think about lifting the 400mm 4 jaw chuck on.

    Steve
    I used to place timber on the bed and change the 400 mm chuck on my macson by hand, ha maybe that's one of the reasons why my back is stuffed....
    I had plans to modify the workshop crane, the idea was to put a locking or pinned fold down frame at the back with a caster wheel and loading balast onto it to get heavier objects into and out the lathe.
    Here are a couple of pics that might give you an idea of what i am trying to explain......
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    Jeez, nice machine Steve! I think I'll know when you power that up when our town's leccy supply dips! Was offered a (fairly neglected) DSG 17" a few years ago but was near Alice Springs so passed on it, much older model than yours. Superb machines though.

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    Went to see what was going to sell at an auction near me when a steel fabrication business went bust. About the only decent thing there was a huge DSG lathe. Can't remember the size. Nothing in the way of tooling or anything except for junk. I guess the DSG was too much of a challenge to fit in someones bag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shedhappens View Post
    I used to place timber on the bed and change the 400 mm chuck on my macson by hand, ha maybe that's one of the reasons why my back is stuffed....
    I had plans to modify the workshop crane, the idea was to put a locking or pinned fold down frame at the back with a caster wheel and loading balast onto it to get heavier objects into and out the lathe.
    Here are a couple of pics that might give you an idea of what i am trying to explain......
    Thanks Shed. Nice idea.

    I've got a few bits and pieces lying around that I could use for a lifting/gantry arrangement. There's a reasonable length of the round tube rail left over from the swing gantry I built last year to service the lathe and mill etc, and also about 3m of the same beam that I used for my 2T adjustable height gantry (plus a beam trolley to suit).
    There's a fair bit of shuffling and reorganising to be done though, so I won't be jumping into building anything just yet.

    Steve

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    Quote Originally Posted by OxxAndBert View Post
    First thing is to decide where the lathe is actually going to sit. I was going to put it up against the wall, but the electrical box is on the back side so I wouldn’t have access
    Put it against the wall, if you need access to the electrical, take the tin off the wall. Shouldn’t be needing access all that often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OxxAndBert View Post
    Thanks Shed. Nice idea.

    I've got a few bits and pieces lying around that I could use for a lifting/gantry arrangement. There's a reasonable length of the round tube rail left over from the swing gantry I built last year to service the lathe and mill etc, and also about 3m of the same beam that I used for my 2T adjustable height gantry (plus a beam trolley to suit).
    There's a fair bit of shuffling and reorganising to be done though, so I won't be jumping into building anything just yet.

    Steve
    I'm thinking I'll build something vaguely like this:

    9770-Mobile-Cart-Premium-Cable-Sky-Hook-1.jpg

    Made by Sky Hook, horribly expensive. They sell counterweights for the cart, but that seems pointless to me.... The 310mm 4 jaw for the Graziano is 28kg, and both the other 3 jaws are 25kg each. The 10" rotary table is 40kg, plus whatever the 4 jaw chuck and mounting plate I often use on it weigh (at least 25kg I'd say). I figure if I build basically a rolling rack that stores all that tooling in the top for easy crane access, put a shelf underneath for shorter bits of stock and/or smaller tooling and whack a little jib crane on the side, that will counterbalance it pretty good. Maybe make a removable lid for it with lips around the edges to use as a rolling workbench to dump toolholders/cutters/drills that are in use on whatever the current project is.

    Not for a couple months yet though....

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    Default Adventures with a jolly green giant

    Thanks RT. Good thinking - I like it.
    Its currently sitting on some heavy skates (about 100mm high) and feels like a really nice working height so I was thinking about sitting it on something. I need to double check, but pretty sure that would get the electrical panel in between the wooden girts on the shed - so minimum floor space usage.

    Anyone know how the handwheel dials operate?
    The one closest to the handwheel I'm guessing is imperial, and the knurled knob in the middle of the handwheel unlocks it so you can reset the zero.
    I can't work out the other dial though. Looks metric, but doesn't seem to have a way of releasing it, and it doesn't turn with the handwheel.



    Nice idea with the trolley crane J&H.

    Steve

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    Hi Steve,

    Some of these lathes have geared dials, I'm not sure how they work but I do know that they seize and the tiny gear gets stripped. I vaguely recall someone complaining that they were a pig to strip and DSG couldn't supply new gears.

    Either way they are a very nice lathe to run and work with. A chap I know makes traction engine wheel parts with his. Next time I call on him I will have a chat and take some pictures.
    Best Regards:
    Baron J.

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