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    Default Is a licence/permit required to make a telescopic sight adapter in WA?

    A relative has asked me if I can make an adapter that attaches a telescopic sight to a bracket that mounts onto a licenced rifle.
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    1) Sight, 2) Adapter, 3) Bracket and 4) Rifle
    Relaltive said he will purchase 1) and 3) and already has 4)

    The relative knows he will have to get a licenced gunsmith to fit all the bits together onto the rifle.

    The question is does this constitute "gunsmithing" and would I need a permit or licence make this in WA?

    I'd rather not get into whether it should be right or wrong - just need some kind of clarity whether I can or not.

    Thanks

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    Phone up the Police firearms branch and ask. They would prefer you do that rather than do the wrong thing (and you can't get into trouble for not doing the wrong thing )

    I was asked to do something firearms related some time ago so did just that (phoned). It was explained to me that cosmetic mods were not a problem. What they did not want being done were mods that would increase the rate of fire or make it 'more lethal' (sorry - can't quite think of the right expression). I would have thought that a bracket to bolt together two readily available parts would be alright but I would agree better to be safe than sorry.

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    Common sense would say you do not need a gunsmith to do anything about fitting a sight to a firearm.

    But there seldom is anything common or sensible about firearm law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by .RC. View Post
    Common sense would say you do not need a gunsmith to do anything about fitting a sight to a firearm.

    But there seldom is anything common or sensible about firearm law.
    Especially so in W.A where even spent brass is considered live ammunition and has to be kept under lock and key

    My advice either be extra diligent or extra discreet

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    We have national gun laws although all states are different so yes ring the WA firearms section

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    Thanks everyone - I have emailed the WA police firearms Enquiry email address.

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    Get a copy of the legislation it is online - in my experience an officer working in the firearms branch may or may not know the full answer. At a recent Arms fair here in S.A. I got talking with an officer attached to the firearms branch regarding modifying trigger pull - he said it is illegal to work on a gun unless you are a licensed gunsmith - period. At home I checked a downloaded copy of the legislation - yes it is illegal to carry out work on a gun if not licensed - but the legislation goes on to say that it is a defence to that clause if you hold the appropriate gun owners license, the gun is legally owned and registered by you (can't work on a friend's gun) and you are not carrying out modifications that make the gun illegal ie shorten the barrel below the legal minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NedsHead View Post
    Especially so in W.A where even spent brass is considered live ammunition and has to be kept under lock and key
    From what I can find out that has never been tested in court to find out whether it is true or not. There is lots of supposition due to very poorly worded law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by familyguy View Post
    Get a copy of the legislation it is online - in my experience an officer working in the firearms branch may or may not know the full answer. At a recent Arms fair here in S.A. I got talking with an officer attached to the firearms branch regarding modifying trigger pull - he said it is illegal to work on a gun unless you are a licensed gunsmith - period. At home I checked a downloaded copy of the legislation - yes it is illegal to carry out work on a gun if not licensed - but the legislation goes on to say that it is a defence to that clause if you hold the appropriate gun owners license, the gun is legally owned and registered by you (can't work on a friend's gun) and you are not carrying out modifications that make the gun illegal ie shorten the barrel below the legal minimum.
    Yes That is correct in SA...you can do any work you like on your own firearms..but not some else's

    And, you are allowed to instruct another on that other persons firearm.

    Making scope mounts etc is not illegal in SA. Making any firearms parts are tho..ie trigger springs, front bead sight, etc...

    but making a stock is not ..confusing

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    Got a very friendly reply from the WA Firearms Licensing centre this morning.
    The reply was from a Police Officer (Sergeant) Supervisor of Firearms Licensing Services
    My view is that making an adapter for a rifle scope for attachment to a bracket is not gunsmithing per se’ (especially as it’s a ‘one-of’ job for a relative with no money changing hands).
    As you’ve already identified, firearms legislation does not allow you access to the firearm unless you’re licenced to it.
    If your relative provides you #1 and #3; but not #4, then I don’t see a problem with you manufacturing #2.

    He even wished me luck with the project.

    Thanks to all who provided advice,








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    Well it's taken 12 months but my relative has finally mounted his scope.

    As I said above, relative already had rifle and scope, but needed mount (bracket and adapter)

    Relative learned CAD and drew up the scope mount parts.

    I passed on making the parts and relative had them made by EDM.
    Gunsmith drilled and tapped the holes in the barrel for the M5 of screws (see 3 vertical dashes - thats the adapter)

    I made the 6 M5 x 0.5 pan head slotted screws, and also drilled and tapped 2 M4 threads for socket grubs (see arrow) that holds the bracket parts together.

    Relative is very happy although he wanted slot headed grub screws but I talked him out of it.

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    Nice, Mossin Naggat. I helped a mate fit a mount to his receiver many years ago. funny bolt action, you have to treat it like you hate it or it will jam.

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