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11th May 2020, 01:24 PM #1Novice
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Hercus Lathe Collet set and Face plate.
Came with a Hercus 9c
Hercus collet set - $350
15 Collets and Draw bar.
Weight 2.2 Kgs
Face Plate - $50
(I measured the hole at 1 3/8 x 8tpi)
Weight 3.5kgs
Pickup available from (NSW) either St Leonards 9-5 or Lewisham after hours and weekends.
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11th May 2020, 09:44 PM #2Senior Member
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Hi Matt
I’ve sent you a message re collets. I’d like a collet setup on my Emco super 11 and wondering if the drawbar may fit. If you could provide some critical dimensions of the drawbar like length and diameter I would appreciate it.
thanks
Ian
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13th May 2020, 12:48 PM #3Novice
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Hi Ian
I have measured the length of the drawbar at 266mm from the threaded female end to the shoulder. Its diameter is 19mm or 3/4 inch.
I'd also be happy to swap or part exchange this stuff for some other tools I require or other bits and pieces.
Spanner 57mm (2 1/4) or adjustable spanner that opens to at least 60mm.
Tool post grinder.
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19th May 2020, 03:04 PM #4Senior Member
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Thanks Matt
Having never owned a collet drawbar setup I am unsure if this is going to fit for me - it will certainly fit through my spindle (mine is 26mm) but I just don't know about the way it will seat into teh spndle nose etc withot having a look at it. If I were near by I would love to have a look but at thsi stage that's not going to be possible. If anyone has some advice on critical measurements I would need to assess th epotential fit I would be really gald to hear them. For reference my Emco super 11 is 26mm bore, MT4 spindle with number 3 size spindle nose according to DNI 55021.
Any advice out there on this?
Ian
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20th May 2020, 08:51 AM #5Novice
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20th May 2020, 04:08 PM #6Novice
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Hey Matt,
What size range are the collets?
Thanks,
Tom
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20th May 2020, 09:57 PM #7Most Valued Member
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Get an ER40 spindle nose collet chuck instead. I just finished mounting one on my Maximat 11, it wasn't a difficult job. The chuck came from eBay. This way you have the full capacity of the spindle bore available.
You'll need a chunk of cast iron, steel or gasp aluminium to make up a back plate. 125mm diameter. I like cast iron but frankly I'd use aluminium if I had nothing else handy in a home shop.
The only tricky bit is getting the spindle nose taper and flange to mate precisely with the back plate. I just did 2 of them and it wasn't that hard. Second one took half the time of the first, always the way.
Incidentally the taper part is the same as D1-3 but the stud holes are DEFINITELY NOT the same pitch circle diameter. I'd been told they were. I guarantee that they're not.
PDW
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20th May 2020, 10:21 PM #8Senior Member
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Thanks Matt. - I’m in Tamworth. I’ll remeasure my lathe tomorrow and ask you for a couple more measurements.
the reason I was looking at 5c was to hold short pieces like screws which I believe 5c are better than ER.
thanks
Ian
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21st May 2020, 09:38 AM #9Senior Member
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Hi Matt
I’ve measured my lathe and would like to check with you what length the collet holder is from the collar that rests against the outside of the headstock (hand wheel end) to the part that pulls back against the spindle nose please? My lathe is 310mm from end of spindle to nose so I think your bar will be very close. The measurement I think I need is when the collet holder is in place and then a collet inserted. What is that measurement?
Your measurement of 266mm would mean the end of the shaft is 44mm from the front of my spindle nose but I don’t know what putting the end of the collet holder onto the shaft does to the final length?
I’ve attached a couple of crude pics and hope you understand what I am asking?
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21st May 2020, 01:13 PM #10Most Valued Member
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https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Precisio...kAAOSw76heXbB~
The Hercus collets are definitely not 5C if they're the ones I recall. Maybe 3C? The draw tube had to fit inside a 3/4" spindle bore. 5C is way too big.
As I said you're giving away a ot of spindle bore capacity going down this road. If that isn't important because you're only doing small stuff, fine, it won't be a problem for you. Just keep this in mind *when* (not if) you get to that job that just won't fit...
PDW
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21st May 2020, 02:16 PM #11Senior Member
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Thanks PDW
No doubt you are right that the ebay linked chuck would be easiest for 5C option. With a backplate adaptor added it mades sense. I had though the through spindle collet option would get me closer to the nose and be a nicer setup but maybe not.
I wanted to make small parts (screws or modifying screws and bushes) in the range of 1/16 - 1/4 or 1.5-6.5mm.
Of course there will always be bigger stuff that I want to do and I'd though 4 jaw chuck would cover me suffieceintly on that front.
Maybe I just go an ER setup and if I want to gri something only just in teh front of teh collet I would put an equal diameter piece in teh abc of teh collet to allow it to grip properly - maybe ER16 or ER25..........
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22nd May 2020, 11:18 AM #12Novice
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Hi Ian and Tom
I have a attached a photo of all the measurements of the bar, hopefully this helps!
As for collet sizes, I went through and used some imperial drill bit shanks to work out what size they all are.
1/16, 3/32, 1/8, 5/32, 1/4 (3 of), 11/32 (2 of), 3/8, 13/32, 7/16, 1/2 (3 of).
I'm open to offers.
Matt
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22nd May 2020, 12:32 PM #13Senior Member
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Thanks Matt - it looks like it might fit. I'd like to try and confirm the size of the collet holder that fits into the spindle nose and what collets these actually are.
For the collet holder I have assumed it was a morse taper 4 from what I could find on Hercus 9c lathes but wonder if you could give me some measurements of that part? I believe the larger end should be 31.26mm and the smaller end tapers down to 25.9mm for MT4.
As for the colletts would you also be able to share some dimensions so we can try and work out what size they are as I will need to see how readily available new collets are?
Thank you for taking the time to work with me on this.
Ian
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22nd May 2020, 02:03 PM #14Novice
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Hi Ian,
No problem at all. I would rather you be sure!
I have attached some photos with measurements of the collets and holder. The thread on the collets is 26tpi
The internal taper for the collet goes from 13/16 at the widest part down to 11/16.
Matt
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22nd May 2020, 05:38 PM #15Senior Member
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Thanks very much Matt
I think they are probably 3C collets which are not so readily available and the piece that sits in the spindle nose of the lathe seems like it will be loose in my lathe. I am not sure if that is a problem or not but I had assumed it would be a nice snug fit into my MT4. At this stage I don't think I can take a risk on this and I don't want to put a low ball offer to you as I hope it suits smeone else on the forum.
Thank you for all your help in working this out - I certainly appreicate your help.
Ian
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