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27th Jan 2023, 09:26 PM #1Diamond Member
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Trueing a 4jaw chuck
Steve sold me a nice little 4jaw chuck. Apart from chuck key (missing, and one screw's square hole undersized), it is all good. On the Hercus it went for immediate use, for turning down some 1m long stainless rods.
Then I noticed that this long stock was whipping around. Thought it was bent (which was why I mounted the 4jaw, to try and correct that), but eventually realised the chuck isn't parallel/perpendicular. Or rather, its back plate:
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2/10mm? Nearly 9 thou? That is significant.
Spinning it up also showed wobble on the outside.
It seems to be gyrating around the back (flat stepped register? of the spindle).
Now, most people wound just turn the back plate over –
threading the large thread against the spindle using a spacer –
and re-machine the small flange that locates against the spindle.
(Heck, I have done that before)
... but this back plate has a poor thread.
The side closest to the chuck is a bit tight and imperfect.
I don't want to spend time trying to repair the thread
(or try to visit Peter to use his 1.5" 8tpi taps),
so onto the surface grinder I go...
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1 thou:IMG_3886.jpg 2 thou:IMG_3887.jpg
3 thou, then test:IMG_3889.jpg IMG_3890.jpg
1 thou TRO? Not bad.
Almost perpendicular, and the wobble on the outside is almost gone.
Time to make some cast iron dust, and true the face:
2 thou:IMG_3891.jpg 3 thou:IMG_3892.jpg
I left it at that. Flat enough for the chuck.
Note the un-machined dip:
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Seems a bit odd, as there were initially turning marks all over the face.
Only thing I can think of is that it has warped?
Anyway, do a final grind of the spindle mating flange, and re-test:
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Very close.
I have ground one side, then used that with the thread to machine the other side,
then used that as a reference to grind the first side again.
Could probably go back and forth a few more times – successive approximation –
but this should be good enough.
Now, to bolt it all back together. The 3/8" bolts don't line up perfectly with the holes.
I enlarge them a smidgeon with a 25/64":
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and that fixes two of them, but the others are still misaligned:
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but the others needed more work.
Tried 13/32", which gave enough clearance on number 3,
but number 4 was nearly 1mm out. Too much to file.
10mm milling cutter:
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Last step, shorten the bolts a little, because they nearly foul on the pulley tensioner:
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And torque them up to minimise the run out:
IMG_3902.jpg IMG_3903.jpgNigel, from a cave FULL of unfinished projects and lost tools.
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27th Jan 2023, 10:42 PM #2
Hi Nigel, Guys,
I've seen this kind of thing before ! The chuck not fitting properly on the register. Basically too tight, causing distortion of the back plate when tightened down. Cast iron back plates tend to take a set where as steel ones tend to spring back making it much harder to diagnose what is happening.
However noting that the mounting holes are misaligned I would suspect poor workmanship by the original owner !Best Regards:
Baron J.
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31st Jan 2023, 08:29 PM #3Most Valued Member
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Could also be that the bolts weren't tightened down equally, ie one was a bit loose.
Probably something we'll never know the cause of.
KrynTo grow old is mandatory, growing up is optional.
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