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    Default YesWelder MP200 kickstarter...

    My Facebook feed is getting hammered by ads for this multi method welder/cutter right now so it might be worth discussing.

    I've recently bought and am very happy with my AIG TIG 200P and my old WIA MIG 150S so I won't be buying this machine anyway.

    While I love the big colour screen that makes it seem like a high tech high end welder, it seems to be short on the features that match the flash looking screen.

    No AC TIG
    No pulse
    No remote pedal capability
    No HF starts
    Low duty cycle for higher (typical Australian) air temperatures.

    Not sure what else it's lacking in the other welding methods, it's actually hard to find the real data in the glossy ad (and some data doesn't make sense anyway)

    Also a buyer would need to keep in mind that the MIG and TIG capabilities needs different gas bottles...

    Cheers.
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    Its just too bright and and shiny and wonderful to be believed readily.

    If it is too good to be true , it usually is.

    Let others buy it and let the rest of us read independent reviews about the model.

    Read it as too cheap to allow the use of quality components and best practice manufacturing.

    Grahame

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    Link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.sneezy View Post
    My Facebook feed is getting hammered by ads for this multi method welder/cutter right now so it might be worth discussing.

    I've recently bought and am very happy with my AIG TIG 200P and my old WIA MIG 150S so I won't be buying this machine anyway.

    While I love the big colour screen that makes it seem like a high tech high end welder, it seems to be short on the features that match the flash looking screen.

    No AC TIG
    No pulse
    No remote pedal capability
    No HF starts
    Low duty cycle for higher (typical Australian) air temperatures.

    Not sure what else it's lacking in the other welding methods, it's actually hard to find the real data in the glossy ad (and some data doesn't make sense anyway)

    Also a buyer would need to keep in mind that the MIG and TIG capabilities needs different gas bottles...

    Cheers.

    No idea what machine you are talking about but most of the negatives you listed aren't included on more up market multi-process welders - leave alone cheap ones. Not sure what you are saying about the duty cycle and I don't know what this one is but the Unimig Viper 185 is about 10% - that's one minute welding in 10 at rated output. How much does the Unimig cost?

    It may well be a crap welder but it has to be compared with similar welders.

    Can you post a link?

    Jack

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    Heres the link

    https://global.yeswelder.com/pages/firstess-mp200

    Found readily on duckduckgo

    First of all the name does not invoke any recognition and /or sense of quality. YesWelderMP200 Firstess. Nah! don't think so.

    I was looking for the machine specs and could not find them.There were some reviews on the About us page and that's about all.


    Me? I am picky. I want to know:

    • what sort of inverter type is used
    • the input and out current by amps and volts
    • if it runs cool, how cool, in degrees Celcius
    • why are the reviewers people who are not really prominent in the online community where are the independent reviewers?
    • when it cacks itself what are the specific arrangements for repair and warranty?


    If these machines are so darn good why aren't they busting their boiler to give us the detailed info on the components.

    Grahame

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    It gets better Grahame - it's a kickstarter project, so it hasn't actually been built yet. They are trying to get people to put money down so they can buy the tooling and materials to make them. In other words, it may not even perform as per their expectations, let alone yours...

    Michael

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    Yep Grahame I'm also picky about the specs. So it wasn't just me then that couldn't see anything much meaningful, not that I was in the market for a multi process machine.

    I'm kind of wary about 'one size fits all' type machines, as my experience in other technologies indicates it will have compromises because of that.

    At the very least it's worth a note here, so Aussies can find a discussion about the machine if they are thinking of send off their money.
    I think my Facebook feed is still hammering me with ads about welders since I was looking for info about the AIG TIG that bought. Time to block those ads...

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    It’s a scam dressed as a kickstarter

    Moving on from that, at USD500 for a super early bird buy, it’s not even that cheap.

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    FML. This is everything that is wrong with the industry. Good for a laugh though.

    So many faults and omissions on their kickstarter listing, where the heck do I start...
    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...aign=YesWelder
    ...I ran out of pictures to link in this post, so just look at the above link, and laugh along with me.

    - 6 minute video with absolutely NO technical detail. Plus it's been dubbed. Poorly. Guy can't even pronounce the model name correctly- "Firtness" 4m21s ?! He looks like Leopold from that Looney tunes episode with the opera singer!!!



    - Love the superfluous arc shots full of bird-poop bead-on-plate welds. Even better when it's done by 2 sumg looking CWB (Canadian Welding Bureau) shills. SHAME

    -The welder infographic shows a heap of cool projects you 'could' make with it- some are even made from wood!



    - Let's all take a moment to lol at the TIG torch emblem. Who loves 3 inches of tungsten stickout? Probably the best 3 inches Leopold has, TBH.

    -5-in-1 welder - OK, let's unpack that. MIG, Stick, lift-tig (DC), plasma, fluxcore. There are plenty of ebay machines that do the same. It's not new tech, no matter how much spin it gets. I'm not impressed, but those that love 'big numbers' will be.

    -From Kickstarter- "That means when you set the current, the MP200 will automatically match the voltage and wire feeding speed for you, making it really simple to use." Someone needs to give this guy a lesson on constant current vs constant voltage power sources. Last I checked you don't set amps on a MIG. Only volts and feed- and AMPS is a function of resistance, wire stickout, and arc length. But yeah, sounds cool for marketing reasons to the uneducated, whatever.

    -And again from kickstarter- for Flux core welding this time- "[pic shows 'no gas tank needed'] It’s great for handling thicker metals, so it will have no problem mending your machinery or helping get that motorcycle on the road after you finish repairs." Don't think I've ever seen a long term viable self shielded fluxcore weld on any ag equipment I've come across. Let me ask my mates rebuilding buckets how much 81 class wire this thing would handle before it popped. I'd reach for my stick welder before this thing... oh yeah, like he suggests with the 6010 firesticks for a DIY furniture build... no thanks.

    -on the protection circuit- "If [the machine] senses the machine is getting too hot or there’s too much current, the M200 will automatically cut off the power supply, protecting your work and keeping you safe". You mean the output circuit, right? - FWIW- this is present in pretty much every machine out there today- not a unique selling point by any stretch of the imagination.

    -CTO is a boily- good right? I reckon his involvement with speccing that machine would be "I welded, it helded!", followed by a stamp on his green card and the obligatory photoshoot to keep the marketing girl happy.

    - On quality and reliabilty- you get a 1 year warranty. Huzzah! My mind is blown. "The MP200 is built to last. Both the machines and accessories are made of reliable parts. We strictly control each manufacturing process to ensure that it not only looks premium, but also consistently delivers high performance to be a long-term addition to your garage or workshop."
    Their manufacturing stock images stink of a downtown shenzhen sweat-shop, dripping with poorly translated ISO 9001 QC certificates. I can smell the cheap plastic already. Looking at their consumables packs, I think I already got a burr in my finger from the poorly constructed TIG collet bodies... Can you even get tetanus from an image?! I guess if I hang around, I'll find out.

    -machine reviews at the bottom of the kickstarter are not even for the same model, FFS. Youtube shill reviews are all from no-namers, but at least their enthusiasm masks the invariable guilt they will feel after knowing they sold their for cheap thrills with the Firstness/Firtness/Fitness (or whatever the guy in the video feels like saying at the time).

    -specifications of this machine are nothing short of ordinary. Anyone with a slightly higher than 240V supply will probably also see an over-voltage issue with this machine- 220V +10% is dangerously close to the AU 240V supply... For a real review, they should have given it to youtube's PhotonicInduction to feed it 450V "Until it pops!".

    -timeline- Optimistic is a stretch. Last I heard semiconductor shortages in china were backing things up by many, many, months. Add to that shipping delays out of china, and I reckon march next year if you are lucky. It's like sending the apprentice to Bunnings for a "long weight", but LESS FUN.

    -top it all off- for a machine that aims to put welders in the hands of every-man ... it ain't that cheap. I reckon bacng for buck the devil you know will be found for the same price, via a supplier somewhere closer, for a faster turnaround.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commander_Keen View Post
    -The welder infographic shows a heap of cool projects you 'could' make with it- some are even made from wood! .
    Good one Commander,

    Now that you pointed it out there's a definite similarity between the two.However,one is a cartoon charwecter, the other is a rabbit.

    The dickens you say! The machine should be able to weld wood, it can surely do every other damn thing,can't it? Perhaps we can use Woodcraft electrodes with cellulose flux ?

    And what woman wouldn't swoon with that ultimate gift of love - a solid steel photo frame.

    You know, there's a big bridge down Sydney way.Some of these blokes might be interested in. but only if they are quick.

    Grahame

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    "The ONE trick the welders DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW!!!"
    The old boily trick is to get a pencil and sharpen both ends. Carbon gives the arc, wood casing fuses even the most stubborn of laminates!

    Knowing my luck, a solid steel photo frame for my better half would hurt more when she throws it back at me. I gave up on pics of nudie ladies years ago, now she is concerned that I don't have any pics of her, just pics of the latest projects and 'weld-pr0n'.

    Can't win says I.

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    I am also seeing the add for this welder on facebook advertising one thing i have worked out anyone can advertise anything on facebook and usualky its all false or miss leading products i think facebook dont even look into or question the adds people just front up with the fee and its listed it is not just welders or machinery i see all silly home made adds that really have no market

    The whole facebook advertising is a scam

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza2009au View Post
    I am also seeing the add for this welder on facebook advertising one thing i have worked out anyone can advertise anything on facebook and usualky its all false or miss leading products i think facebook dont even look into or question the adds people just front up with the fee and its listed it is not just welders or machinery i see all silly home made adds that really have no market

    The whole facebook advertising is a scam
    If you don't pay for it, YOU are the product.
    You search welding on google? - BOOM- they know your interests and show you the ads from the highest bidder.
    You like underwater basket weaving? - BOOM - Ad for synthetic Swahili weaving fibre and a snorkel for your next project.

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