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Thread: Looking for ESAB Rebel Manuals
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22nd Apr 2021, 01:16 PM #1Senior Member
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Looking for ESAB Rebel Manuals
Thinking of getting a new MIG and part of the process is looking at the manuals for specifications, features and limitations.
I can't seem to locate manuals for the ESAB welders - specifically the ESAB Rebel EMP 205IC AC/DC but the 215 and 235 manuals would be helpful as well. Apparently the manuals come on a USB drive with the welder - can anyone share them with me?
The 205 AC/DC looks good but apparently the fan sounds like an F1-11.
Thanks
Jack
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22nd Apr 2021, 03:12 PM #2China
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The manual is on the ESAB website
ESAB PDF Finder
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22nd Apr 2021, 03:50 PM #3Senior Member
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Thanks for that. I thought that the Rebel 205 was officially released here. The only documentation on the Pacific/Australian site was this:
- Magazine
- Rebel Family Brochure
- Rebel EMP 205IC Fact Sheet
- Rebel 205ic AC/DC POP Display Easel
- Rebel Series Overview Brochure
- ESAB Launch Magazine
In multiple languages - no instruction manual. The site you pointed me to only lists an American manual and probably what's in the box is different there.
ESAB is represented by CIGWELD here but CIGWELD is only represented by agents that only seem to stock CIG branded equipment - and not much at that. Perhaps I should look elsewhere.
Thanks for the help
Jack
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22nd Apr 2021, 07:34 PM #4Member
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I am also interested in this welder.
The ESAB 205ic has not been released in Australia yet.
According to some Australian welding shops, the 205ic will be for sale in Australia by the end of this year 2021.
One welding web shop is taking deposits for the 205ic now.
As far as I can work out, all other ESAB Rebel welders can be purchased here from welding shops.
The 205ic is the only Rebel model that does AC/DC TIG. The fan does sound very noisy in the videos that I have seen.
Paul.
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23rd Apr 2021, 01:30 AM #5Senior Member
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I wonder why the long delay - that would make it three years old on debut. Perhaps the release will coincide with a model update that quietens the fan a bit.
It is an interesting welder though. Usually TIG is a compromise - fewer parameters, DC only and lift start only - this is more like a fully featured AC/DC TIG combined with a MIG (and ARC).
I haven't been through the manual yet but I assume it can do adaptive arc control in real time.
Definitely interesting.
Jack
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23rd Apr 2021, 10:00 AM #6Member
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Yes, the 205ic, 215ic and 235ic all have dynamic arc control for MIG welding. ESAB call it "Smart MIG" or "sMIG".
If you are looking for a ESAB MIG welder and you do not need AC TIG, then the 215ic will be better value than the 205ic.
The 215ic is primarily a MIG machine, it can only do DC Lift TIG (no HF start or AC). It does not come with a TIG torch,
you have to purchase that separately. The 235ic machine is similar to the 215ic, just bigger.
Paul
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23rd Apr 2021, 11:51 AM #7Senior Member
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Thanks for confirming that Paul and I have since been through the manual for the 205 and 0thers. I think an Australian manual would differ in the areas of maximum current and duty cycle. We might even get the "25 amp mains upgrade option". I haven't actually found an Australian version or the 215 or 235 manual either.
If you are looking for a ESAB MIG welder and you do not need AC TIG, then the 215ic will be better value than the 205ic.
The 215ic is primarily a MIG machine, it can only do DC Lift TIG (no HF start or AC). It does not come with a TIG torch,
you have to purchase that separately. The 235ic machine is similar to the 215ic, just bigger.
Paul
When I find a shop I can also check that special ESAB connectors and parts are not required. This is not my industry so there are bound to be outlets I haven't discovered yet - I'll keep looking.
Thanks for your comments.
Jack
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W.E.S.S sell ESAB
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24th Apr 2021, 02:06 AM #9Senior Member
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24th Apr 2021, 08:33 AM #10Pink 10EE owner
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Australia's problem is the 15 amp socket.
Very hard to find anything 240V that wants more then a 15 amp socket, even though 20 and 32 amp sockets exist, but they are pretty uncommon.
Years ago I was trying to tell a US hypertherm person who was singing the praises of the powermax 45XP plasma cutter with it's 6500W output that it's power input requirements were far in excess of what is usually available in Australia in 240V. They use a 50 amp socket in it in the US.Gold, the colour of choice for the discerning person.
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24th Apr 2021, 01:21 PM #12Senior Member
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Yes, I agree but even if a 25 or 32 amp outlet were fitted, would the duty cycle of the welder improve? What shuts down the welder when the duty cycle is exceeded - temperature or the actual duty cycle? If the calculated duty cycle is used to shut down the welder, a firmware update would be required to increase it.
Jack
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24th Apr 2021, 01:25 PM #13Senior Member
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24th Apr 2021, 01:57 PM #14
Machine duty cycle is not affected by the amperage of the supply circuit. You don't get a higher machine duty when connected to a higher amperage circuit.
The machine's duty cycle dictates (amongst other things) the input circuit requirements- circuit breaker rating, cable sizing etc.
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24th Apr 2021, 04:28 PM #15Senior Member
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One might think so except that US equipment coming to Australia gets a lower duty cycle because of the supply limitations and machines that are 120/220 volt in the US have not just a higher output current but a higher duty cycle on 220 volts - at least on some machines I looked at.
Some single phase Australian equipment can be upgraded with a heavier power cord and a 20A plug. When this is done, the allowable duty cycle increases. I have attached (I hope), an excerpt from the CIG CutSkill 60 manual. There are similar examples for welders.
Regards
Jack
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