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  1. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by glivo View Post
    Being a retired metalwork teacher I've already welded.
    Hi glivo,
    If you have oxy acetylene experience that would be invaluable to future tig learning.
    The basic manipulations are almost identical.
    Some of the best tig operators I ever knew were ex oxy welders..

    However one should never think that the process is a do everything process.Like all of the other processes it has ideal applications and others were it is severely limited. Breezes and anything less than highly cleaned welding surfaces are the enemies of TIG.

    As you say TIG needs those extras and for those of us with limited discretionary budgets, choices need to be made.

    Grahame

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commander_Keen View Post

    So with this in mind... nothing stopping a user getting a industry standard CK 9/17/26 series TIG torch with the appropriate DINSE SAFE-LOC style connector, and just run a torch with a valve on it (and run the gas straight to the reg, bypassing any internal gas solenoid, if any).
    It needs to be at the very least a switched torch as well as having the valve, or a separate switch used, (ie: foot pedal switch only). Yes, these torches are available but as far as I can see not with the required 8 pin plug. There is no gas throughput on the welder in the TIG path. The gas hose is connected direct to the regulator, (unlike MIG mode). Either way the electrical switching of the torch in either 2T or 4T mode must be done going through the 8 pin plug into the socket on the machine. No escaping that fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by Commander_Keen View Post
    Each to their own, but if a machine were a bargain, and I was certain I needed the features hindered by a silly 8 pole proprietary or obscure connection, I'd tap into the wires internally and make it work with the plug type I want (eg a 7 pin amphenol).
    I'm not about to tap into any circuitry on a brand new machine at the beginning of the 3 year warranty period.

    The plug in question is an Amphenol type 8 pin CIGWELD part number is UOA706900 and Amphenol 206434-1. (outer shell / strain relief separate)

    TorchMaster list this but no picture " ERCP6 8 pin Male Plug" https://torchmaster.com.au/products-...zipper-covers/

    Here is the USA ESAB model.

    https://www.ebay.com.au/i/273805080027?chn=ps

    For just torch switching only pins 2 & 3 are required. For current control / wire feed (spool gun in Mig mode) etc pins 5 - 8 are utilised. A 6 or even 7 pin plug and socket would have sufficed. I think it will be easier to just fork out the the Cigweld Torch @ $149.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grahame Collins View Post
    If you have oxy acetylene experience that would be invaluable to future tig learning.
    The basic manipulations are almost identical.
    Some of the best tig operators I ever knew were ex oxy welders..
    I do. When the old 130 failed recently I had to drag out the Oxy set to do the required weld. The beginning of a slippery slope of dipping into the pocket.


    Quote Originally Posted by Grahame Collins View Post
    As you say TIG needs those extras and for those of us with limited discretionary budgets, choices need to be made.
    It isn't as though the need for extra gear was a surprise. I knew full well the Tig gear isn't included. I am not even too surprised that Cigweld use a "non-standard" plug. In saying this though, the cost of their basic switched torch is not unreasonable compared to industry stuff, so if it has quality then no problem really.

  4. #19
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    Default Lift Tig

    I have a Lincoln 150S inverter stick, with lift tig function, the torch for that is a CIG torch with a gas control knob on top. I gave the lift tig a go, thinking if i could weld reasonably well doing lift tig, I would then go out and purchase a better machine for tig welding.

    What a pain in the butt, as I have said before, tig is a bitch who demands attention, clean metal, no rust, etc, not suited for my kind of work, I can lay down a good bead with a mig quicker then preparing rusted metal for tig welding, besides, i prefer to stand or kneel rather then sit over a bench joining metal together with thin piece of metal rod that you constantly need to feed through with your hand.

    Good luck with the lift tig on your machine.

    DD

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    I understand the requirements, intricacies and nature of Tig but it is something I've seen done and always wanted to try. I've done stick, oxy, mig and spot welding, brazing and silver and soft solder, but never tig. I don't need to do it but I'm like that. Why stop learning?
    What CIG tig torch have you got DD? If it's the 8 pin do you want to sell it?

    Sent from my SGP521 using Tapatalk

    Edit: After many interruptions (again) I finally unpacked the 175i+ yesterday and set it up with some wire. I'll power it up today and see how she goes, finally.

    The instruction manual says that the wire feed brake mechanism is set in the factory for optimum performance with 5 kg spool but to me it seems a bit tight. The setup instructions say there should be between 10 and 20 mm travel after the trigger is released. The last wrap of wire should be loose but not able to spring free. There is no free travel at all and the wire remains tight, so I might loosen it off a bit. Any advice here?

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    I've just gone out and purchased the Cigweld TIG torch required to use with the 175i+ welder, Part# W4013801.

    They provide the Torch assembly itself and a small sealed packet of consumables.
    This includes: 3 nozzles in sizes 4, 5 and 6.
    a short and long back cover.
    a 2.4 mm collet and collet body and matching single 2.4 mm Grey electrode
    a 1.6 mm collet without a matching collet body or electrode.

    I guess you could go straight home and weld.

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    My only wisdom regarding TIG - from the admittedly little I've learned and experienced so far - the *only* electrodes you need are 2.4mm Lanthinated. All electrodes get sharpened to a point, so the diameter of the rest of it doesn't really matter, and lanthinated works with everything.

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    I've been watching a lot of videos and they do say that 2.4 mm is the go. The type of electrode / colour doesn't matter that much with inverter rigs. Different for transformers so they say and obviously the more critical the job, the more it matters. There is a lot of recommendation for E3 (purple) electrodes (in USA at least). Environmentally friendly and apparently not radioactive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glivo View Post

    Alternately, you could buy a foot pedal, W4015800 ($399) which would supposedly (possibly) allow lift Tig with either of these torches and possibly a different branded non-switched torch provided the power and gas connections are suitable.
    Not sure if this is of interest. Foot pedals made by SSC Controls out of the states. Have a equivalent model for the cigweld part above. No Aussie distributor, but one in NZ. Price looks comparable, but probably a much better build quality, if the modern chinesium cigweld stuff is anything to go by.
    https://www.ssccontrols.com/product/...ontrol-pedals/

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    I had already come across this site in my search. I'm not sure about the handle option. At US $178 (no handle) it would exchange to AUS$250 then add gst to $275. USPS costs of near US $75 works out at only saving maybe less than AUS $30 compared to buying the Cigweld.
    I didn't notice or investigate the NZ path, but I've kindly been provided a pedal which I'm going to reply when I receive the plug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glivo View Post
    I just went back over my phone logs from a week ago and contacted the guy. The bottle is still available so I'm off to pick it up. Obviously I won't be able to get it refilled once it's empty but it should get me started on TIG once I get a torch etc.




    My son in law asked me a few days ago to give him a recommendation for an arc welder as he was looking at getting one so he could practice on, he gave me a link to a CIG Weldskill 180A that he had found, as he was trying to get a welder similar to the one he is using in his training course (apprentice industrial plumber), I tried to talk him into buying a much better one as he would get much better value out of a TIG AC/DC/MMA machine as it would also give him a better duty cycle but they cost more, and so I explained that it would be an asset and also a Tax deduction for him.

    I think he is still going to get the original Weldskill 180A due to price but that now is his choice. Personally I think that there are much better machines out there but they are also dearer.

    Anyway whilst researching all the suitable models available, I also came across an advert for a partially full (9000kPa) E size bottle of Speedgas Argon, so negotiated the price down to $90 and it comes with a regulator as well,
    even though I have one. So looks like I also will be doing some TIG welding again. I had handed my rental bottles back several years ago but never got another as I wasn't using the TIG much anymore. MIG is the main type of welding I do so it wasn't that much of a problem as I bought an argon mix bottle for the MIG but just never got around getting one for the TIG.

    Looking at all the machines out there has given me an incentive to do some TIG welding. I have an Everlast 256P which has sat neglected for several years, so just need to find something to TIG up!

    Picked up the bottle today and tried to do some TIG welds and looks like I will have to do a lot of practice to work out all the settings as I have forgotten a lot. Amazing how quickly I can forget stuff.

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