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DSEL74
1st Nov 2016, 06:43 PM
After a recent tip off on the forum to a cheap surface grinder I went for a 45min drive and took a look at it last night and returned this morning to disassemble and load into the sellers trailer for transport home.



I gave all the mating surfaces and ways a coat of blue grease and put most of the bolts back in hand tight. It looks like it may not have done much work but a dial indicator may prove me wrong.
The grease is just to protect it until I can make some space and get it into the shed ,its in a lean to at present.

It has a series of flat belt pulleys and a motor that goes in the base. The pulleys are on a self tensioning system. The previous owner started to do some modifications but luckily didn't get to far so should be able to get back to original without too much issue. Just got to figure what that was exactly. Nice old 2 HP ~3ph motor (although the badge is in the wrong place and may not be from it) which I will most likely just swap for a single phase as the easiest option.

The Power company I believe was a Melbourne based brand from the manufacturer Pauer Co Pty Ltd Machine Tool Makers, 10 Vale St, Nth Melb. Phone F6227
This info on the badge is more than I was able to find on the net and so far I have only found much larger surface grinders made by this company and no other machines. Maybe they only made surface grinders.
I read that Repco bought Power and became Repco Power at some point, but can't confirm.


Does anyone have a similar machine of same or other make?


Where the casting mate there are some threaded grub screw holes. The hole is bisected by the join so there is half a circle of thread in the left casting and half the side of thread in the right casting. Can someone explain the purpose of doing this and how do I adjust it correctly?

DSEL74
1st Nov 2016, 06:47 PM
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The class No# is a bit confusing, did somebody change their mind?
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Couldn't put this back on top as it won't fit under the roof
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Rear door
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DSEL74
1st Nov 2016, 06:49 PM
Motor
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So far the only thing missing that I am aware of is the wheel guard. There is a small wheel in the tin inside the base.
Also needs a mag chuck.

KBs PensNmore
1st Nov 2016, 07:45 PM
Now the expense starts, mag chuck +++++++. What size will you looking for, and how much do you want to spend???
Kryn

DSEL74
1st Nov 2016, 07:59 PM
Kryn,
i really don't know. This was an impulse buy and I have $150 into the machine lol, so not much. The size I'm guessing will be the size of the main rectangular section of T slotted table?

morrisman
1st Nov 2016, 08:07 PM
That's a neat old machine . I like the patina ! Maybe some research will reveal more info on Pauer .

jhovel
1st Nov 2016, 08:50 PM
I know that Pauer & Co was bought up by Repco. Pauer worked for Repco for a little while before retiring. I think he came from Austria and I think his first name was Paul (but I could be wrong there). You may find a bit more info on his story on the Repco website, perhaps.

KBs PensNmore
1st Nov 2016, 09:54 PM
Kryn,
i really don't know. This was an impulse buy and I have $150 into the machine lol, so not much. The size I'm guessing will be the size of the main rectangular section of T slotted table?


I'm looking for one also at that price!!!! Probably about 150 X 300, but I'm open to suggestions.

Taft Peirce Superpower Magnetic Chuck 115 Volt, 450 x 170 x 120 $590 ???
Kryn

.RC.
1st Nov 2016, 09:59 PM
Charles Pauer Halik

From a bit on facebook google bought up



Power & Co. owned by Charles Pauer Halik opened in Woodmason Road (later Power Road) Bayswater in 1958. Employed many local residents. Halik sold to Repco Ltd. in the 1960s. and it became known as Repco-Power. Wooodmason Road had a name change to Power Road after the middle name of Halik (Pauer).

Repco bought Pauer and Co in around 1962.

Another source says


Charles Pauer Helic was a Hungarian bloke, long since passed away but I know a few guys in the trade that did know him and his workshop in the 60's. He has been described as a mechenical genius by one guy, and an eccentric bugger by another! I know that he made surface, cylindrical, cam and crank, internal grinders and more. The Power brand was his until he sold to Repco. Most people know Repco Power as a brand but don't realize where it came from. Repco continued making the surface grinders for a while.


I thought or sort of guessed Pauer and Co was around well before 1958. There is one au patent for a centreless grinder dated 1957.

I have seen all sorts of power branded grinders. Surface, cylindrical, internal, crankshaft, tool and cutter. etc etc.

DSEL74
1st Nov 2016, 10:16 PM
Interesting this Badge puts them in North Melbourne not Bayswater. There is a Power Rd, in Bayswater tho. So there is a bit more history there. What period did we have phone numbers like F6227?




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Kryn, I don't have $590 to spend on a chuck!!!!!!!!!!!

Joe, Had a look through the Repco Company History on their website but saw no mention there. Is this anything like your surface grinder in design??


There is a link at the National Library in Canberra to what I assume is a catalogue but I can't access it being in Melb.
"Power" precision grinders, special purpose machines / Pauer & Co. Pty. Ltd | National Library of Australia (http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/443141)
"Power" precision grinders, special purpose machines / Pauer & Co. Pty. Ltd




I'm assuming there should be some sort of splash guard to the end of the table and a rubber cover to the ways and up the pillar?

morrisman
1st Nov 2016, 11:36 PM
Those phone numbers with a single letter prefix would have be in use well before the 1960's , probably the 40's . The Melbourne phones had a two letter prefix in the early 60's . That grinder may have been made in the late 40's , that's my theory.

My guess is they moved out to Bayswater because of the cheaper rent for the factory premises. Bayswater was 'out in the sticks' in those days .

I have a Cash mill and would like to know about where and when it was made

Michael G
2nd Nov 2016, 06:44 AM
I'm assuming there should be some sort of splash guard to the end of the table and a rubber cover to the ways and up the pillar?

My surface grinder (branded Power, so probably pre Repco buy out) has a splash guard but no rubber cover - it is done with a sliding metal filler piece.

Michael

jhovel
2nd Nov 2016, 01:21 PM
The design of that surface grinder is similar to the Brown and Sharp ones - but only in principle.
Sorry about the red hering with the name and origin. Glad R.C. shed some more light on it.

I believe morrisman's and my Cash mill were made in Richmond in Melbourne - but can't find the source where I got that information from. I believe I read it on a label on a mill, but not mine, which has no labels.
I found an ad for a second hand one in the early '50s from "SERVIAN MACHINE TOOLS. 9 Albert-Street. Brunswick, FW2111"
That is interesting in the sense that they were a machinery dealer and a manufacturer.
The ad also said that they would take surplus machinery in good condition as trade-ins.....

The ad also confirms that Melbourne phone numbers had 2 Letters and 4 digits in 1952.

I then remembered that "lathefan" :) posted this catalogue a long time ago:
http://users.beagle.com.au/lathefan/1965%20machine%20tool%20exhibition.pdf

Lots of interesting photos and company details there!

kwijibo99
2nd Nov 2016, 02:23 PM
Mike,
Your Cash mill was indeed made in Richmond and the company that made it is still in business, well was as of around 2012. Cash engineering are a world leader in air compressor technology and hold a number of patents although I don't believe they manufacture locally anymore. They were still in their original premises at 28 Hull St Richmond and still owned by the founders grandson.

Back when I had my Cash mill I contacted the owner, Tony Kitchener and he was a great bloke to talk to, the mills were originally made under contract to the US Army Air Force towards the end of WWII and they produced a number of other machine tools although the only other one I have seen is a T&C grinder which was in pieces at the time.

I first managed to track them down through this very interesting article:
Inside Business - 18/07/2004: Inventors' streak keeps manufacturer afloat (http://www.abc.net.au/insidebusiness/content/2004/s1156433.htm)

I have a bit more info that Tony sent me which I will try and dig up. He did say they still had some of their original machines in their factory and promised to send a copy of a catalogue from the 1950's but it never turned up. I did follow up with him a couple of times but didn't want to hassle him too much, if you are keen it might be worth getting in touch with him.

Sorry about the thread hijack Dale.
Cheers,
Greg.

jhovel
2nd Nov 2016, 05:15 PM
Well, it looks like 28 Hull St Richmond is a new block of apartments now, and all website references to Cash Engineering are expired.....
However, Kitchener Wine Cabinets is alive and well Kitchener Wine Cabinets (http://www.kitchenerwinecabinets.com.au/)
So I wrote to Tony and asked for whatever help he can give us to keep the history of Cash Engineering in Richmond alive on the 'net. I'll report if he responds positively.

DSEL74
2nd Nov 2016, 05:52 PM
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So this is one of the grub screws that bisect a join between two of the main castings? What is their function?

Oldbikerider
2nd Nov 2016, 06:45 PM
To keep the casting outer surfaces in planar alignment prior to bolting down?

I have found a few of these grub screws in split threads on the Nuttall lathe and an old drill that I'm restoring, but they have been used to hold shafts into housings or bushes or pulleys onto shafts.

Whereabouts on the machine are they used?

Graham.

DSEL74
2nd Nov 2016, 06:50 PM
There is four of them on the machine from memory and they are in opposing pairs, ie same position on opposite side of machine.

The base and front of the pillar is one piece and the rear taller pillar sits on the back of the base and butts up to the front. There is one on each side where the two halves of the pillar join. I wasn't the one to remove the other two so I have to find where they go.


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Oldbikerider
2nd Nov 2016, 07:19 PM
Are you certain that there is thread on both parts, and that they are not intended to bring the mating parts together like a taperlock hub works? Just a thought.

They do look like registration screws to me though. If you've ever had to align parts close enough to get one of these suckers back in the thread then you'll appreciate how accurately they can be used to align parts.

Graham.

morrisman
2nd Nov 2016, 07:55 PM
made under contract to the US Army Air Force towards the end of WWII


Greg.

That would have been under the reverse Lend-Lease scheme. The Yanks supplied us with many things during WW2 and in return we supplied their forces in the SW Pacific with just about everything, vehicles , radios, uniforms, food and more. After the war ended, both the Aust. and US Govt. had to work out who owed who and what to do with the surplus equipment.

More reading here

Amazing USA/Australia Treaty 1946 - MLU FORUM (http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/showthread.php?t=26523)

morrisman
11th Nov 2016, 11:05 AM
Here you see one

https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/008337/

https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/008343/