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DSEL74
10th Sep 2015, 03:05 PM
I'm seeking info on a Vintage Parken Belt Linisher either a 61 or 64 model???

Is there any catalogues or manuals floating around??


I accidentally bought one today, been admiring it for ages………..This is what happens when you make a silly offer on price and they accept it...…now just have to figure out how to move it from Bayswater to Lilydale.

Michael G
10th Sep 2015, 03:33 PM
:doh: Is this one complete or is there restoration involved here too?

(any pics?)

Michael

DSEL74
10th Sep 2015, 03:58 PM
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In useable and running condition (3ph, so needs a VFD which I will put up the pole to keep away from dust) But there are some parts missing and some small repairs needed.
As circled the bottom cast lug on the motor mount is broken. This is the one that has a tapped hole for I assume a locking screw.
The cast tilt adjustment knob has a few bumps broken off.

If you look at the side of the platen there is a trunion rocker which is mean't to have something???


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More than that I am unsure untill I get it home and go over it properly.




I want to get a scotchbrite belt for it so i can polish the line shaft, and I will us it a fair bit in the smithy and hopefully get some knives ground up on it in the future.

DSEL74
10th Sep 2015, 04:52 PM
The Green one (mine) is a MK II circa 1960-70 and the 4" wide belt version. The last price list shows this machine at $1680 as new old stock in 2002.


The only other one I could find (below) on google was on the forum:

Ray's is possibly a 1950's, as it has the third arm rather than a platen according to Parken over the phone, although I'm skeptical as other aspects of the design look more modern than mine.. His also has the original cap with built in german switch.
http://www.woodworkforums.com/showthread.php?t=134498
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DSEL74
10th Sep 2015, 04:55 PM
Forgot to mention, The base has a huge spring in it so the pillar can be easily adjusted according to parken. Sounds pretty cool! Will need to obliterate that green paint and find out. Not that I needed an excuse to get rid of the green:doh:

A new genuine rubber boot will set me back $49 Might be able to get a motorcycle one from a skinny fork??

RayG
13th Sep 2015, 01:30 PM
Nice find Dale, I love the Parken Linisher, everything is adjustable. I have a VFD on mine, since those pictures were taken, I have been using 3M trizact belts, but after seeing Corin's video of the Noob grinder with blaze belts, I'm now on the lookout for a 96"x2" Norton Blaze Belt to give it a run.

I got a graphite plattern liner from somewhere, that backs the belt, I forget where I got it from, Ewan might know who has them?

I just noticed, the plattern isn't mounted in those photographs, if you want I'll take some more pictures.

Ray

Stustoys
13th Sep 2015, 01:50 PM
I got a graphite plattern liner from somewhere, that backs the belt, I forget where I got it from, Ewan might know who has them?

I got some from
https://www.thesandpaperman.com.au/graphite-slip-cloth/

Ueee
13th Sep 2015, 04:29 PM
Depends on what you want to do but ceramic glass is also a good option for a platen liner, the graphite has give and will wear, the glass stays dead flat. Not that you can get a dead flat surface off a platen anyway.

PS, Ray your workshop was mighty empty back then!

KBs PensNmore
13th Sep 2015, 05:10 PM
I'm seeking info on a Vintage Parken Belt Linisher either a 61 or 64 model???

Is there any catalogues or manuals floating around??


I accidentally bought one today, been admiring it for ages………..This is what happens when you make a silly offer on price and they accept it...…now just have to figure out how to move it from Bayswater to Lilydale.

Just a silly question, but "How do you accidentally buy something"? :?
Kryn

DSEL74
13th Sep 2015, 07:34 PM
Ray, I definitely want to go variable speed on this so a CFD is a must. More photos would be much appreciated.

Ray/Stu, Is that just a self adhesive material that you stick to the face of the platen?? Darn the sandpaper man was at the Woodshow yesterday I might have been able to get some.

Ewan, Which is the ceramic vs graphite better for purpose wise. How expensive is the ceramic and where do you get it? The graphite look affordable.


Kryn, I made an offer I thought would be rejected (less than half the asking price) not taking it seriously and when it was accepted the deal was to good to walk away from especially since I have been admiring it since last year. So I didn't actually intend to buy it.



I'm paying a guy in petrol and beer to tow the trailer so I can collect it tomorrow arvo!

Ueee
13th Sep 2015, 07:38 PM
Hi Dale,
You should be able to get it from most glass supply places. Personally i do not like graphite as every time i have used i have worn grooves in it.

YBAF
13th Sep 2015, 07:57 PM
...I made an offer I thought would be rejected (less than half the asking price) not taking it seriously and when it was accepted the deal was to good to walk away from especially since I have been admiring it since last year. So I didn't actually intend to buy it...

I reckon the best way to do a 'deal' is to turn up driving an old banged up ute wearing the best stained tattered work clothes and carrying a sad dog.
:U

DSEL74
14th Sep 2015, 11:42 PM
Picked up the Linisher today and it's now in sitting in my shed.

Here are a few more photos


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Top wheel has been repalced with a 2" wide instead of the original 4"
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Bit broken off the knob, thinking to fit a collar between the two motor mounts to support the load due to locking srce breaking out the casting.
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No hard work required here to convert to Delta, just move the connectors over.
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NIce big and stable steel plate as a under the base, few $$$ worth just there.
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Need to source a suitable VFD and some belts.

RayG
14th Sep 2015, 11:54 PM
Hi Dale,

Check, the belt length, I think it should be 96" If it is I have a couple of trizact belts you can pick up next time you are up this way.

If you happen to spot any 80 grit norton blaze in 96" x 2" let me know.

Ray

DSEL74
15th Sep 2015, 12:02 AM
I see if I can track down some of the blaze belts and let you know.


Don't forget some detail photos of your linisher. Do you have an original table for the platen?

RayG
15th Sep 2015, 12:09 AM
I see if I can track down some of the blaze belts and let you know.


Don't forget some detail photos of your linisher. Do you have an original table for the platen?

Pictures tomorrow!

DSEL74
15th Sep 2015, 10:05 AM
Can't seem to find the Norton Blaze up in the 96" range, in fact can't find much over the 48" or 72".


Have asked Gameco if they can get the larger size and emailled Norton to see if the produce it.

Ueee
15th Sep 2015, 10:44 AM
Ring the Sydney store and ask for Corin specifically Dale, he'll know one way or the other.

RayG
15th Sep 2015, 02:36 PM
Hi Dale,

This is the plattern setup, I think I'll take Ewan's advice and try to find a ceramic backing plate, rather than the graphite.

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Looking at your pictures, you seem to be missing the adjustable angle table part?

That's a Trizact belt on there at the moment. Let me know what you find out about 96" Norton Blaze.

Ray

DSEL74
15th Sep 2015, 03:16 PM
Yes missing the table. I assume there is a bolt Shank built into the rocker of the table, and the nut goes behind the platen's cradle. What angle is the bolt part at in relation to the face of the table?

Also wondering if you main arm is at full extension. I.E. If you remove the short third arm does tge main one extend to use the same 96" belt without it or would you need a smaller belt?

RayG
15th Sep 2015, 06:15 PM
More pictures.

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http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/661/I0s4g5.jpg


There is adjustment in the motor position and the top pulley arm, as well as the belt tensioner, how much in terms of belt length, it's hard to say

Ray

DSEL74
1st Dec 2015, 03:42 PM
On the weekend I pulled the motor apart and found the star point, that was my contribution to rewiring it delta, the rest was done by someone who is better equipped. The previous owner painted the whole thing assembled even the sliding shaftS which now do not.

Made a start on stripping and polishing the important parts.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/30/8bcd0df2ed8e47e8f6b8de8f6f6c8965.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/30/0f4cb51fdfd8a1e8858ffecc957f78a9.jpg

Had to file the ends back to parallel as the had been mushroomed and sand most of the paint off to get the slides out before polishing.
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However there are some repairs needed.
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And some repairs that need redoing and better.
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Really like to fix these up even if it is just cosmetically. I'm thinking I need to find someone to do some brazing on both these parts. I think I will also put two collars on the sliding shafts for the motor mounts to take some of the pressure off the lugs, especially the broken one.

KBs PensNmore
1st Dec 2015, 08:44 PM
Dale would you like some offcuts of cast for repairs?
Kryn

DSEL74
4th Dec 2015, 04:11 PM
Thanks Kryn at this stage I'm find someone to just build it up with braze.

Made some stainless steel collars as a. Temporary measure although I'll probably leave them in as a safety measure.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/03/2fc726bf48dcfa9e0fd6b865e0e206c6.jpg
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/03/1a4e3aa01034f1fe5da70931ec4b1a98.jpg

YBAF
4th Dec 2015, 07:27 PM
You've likely seen it, though here's some pictures of one on ebay at the moment...

DSEL74
4th Dec 2015, 07:37 PM
Yes I have seen it, but thanks for posting Better condition than mine. It has the original switch too. I'd love to have still had that.

I also notice the bosses that are broken on mine are much more heavy duty on this one.

Few dollars worth of belts with it.