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ubeaut
14th Oct 2014, 10:07 PM
This is a continuation of the old eBay (and other auctions) Metalwork Stuff and will be an ongoing thread as the original was.
The thread is for anything to do with eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/) and other auction sites.



Your ad in eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/)
Ads seen on eBay
Purchased on eBay
Etc.
Etc.
Etc.

I now declare Part II open for postshttp://www.ubeaut.biz/woohoo.gif

Go for it.....


Cheers - Neil :U

.RC.
14th Oct 2014, 11:38 PM
2 X slideway grinders on UK ebay now

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251676925175

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Churchill-Slideway-Grinder/201187757805

markgray
15th Oct 2014, 10:38 AM
2 X slideway grinders on UK ebay now

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251676925175

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Churchill-Slideway-Grinder/201187757805

I would take either one home especially the smaller one. Not sure how much work it would get but it would be interesting to play with. I remember seeing some posts on PM of a guy in WA who brought one in queensland and had it transported over! I suppose that shows how rare these machines are in Australia. Recently I contacted a firm in Sydney who have a couple of slideway grinders in use and they were happy for me to come in next time I am in Sydney to see them working which I thought was great in this world of OH&S control. Will let the forum know how that goes.

.RC.
15th Oct 2014, 01:38 PM
The smaller one looks like it has been well used, and no pictures of the ways....

Budget Machinery in the UK had a pearler machine, it was a late model BSA Churchill... 72" X 24"... Just a really nice size.. You get these big machines and you need big foundations to go with them, plus they take up a lot of room...

Lanza bought that one in Brisbane... I do not think he has got it going yet..

Who in Sydney are you going two... I know of at least two businesses with two slideway grinders in Sydney, plus there would be others as well..

markgray
15th Oct 2014, 03:53 PM
The smaller one looks like it has been well used, and no pictures of the ways....

Budget Machinery in the UK had a pearler machine, it was a late model BSA Churchill... 72" X 24"... Just a really nice size.. You get these big machines and you need big foundations to go with them, plus they take up a lot of room...

Lanza bought that one in Brisbane... I do not think he has got it going yet..

Who in Sydney are you going two... I know of at least two businesses with two slideway grinders in Sydney, plus there would be others as well..

Hi Richard, I sent an Email to a couple of companies that advertise slideway grinding in Sydney. The only one who replied was cnc engineering (they used to be Grout and Darlington) in Smithfield in Sydney. Have not managed to get there yet but hope to in the next few months

Hunch
16th Oct 2014, 05:59 PM
Against my own rules, but Advance are auctioning chullora tafe stuff this Saturday, old as the hills Nuttalls and obsolete mills, etc.....lots of trade education investment in recent years it would appear! :roll:

welder
16th Oct 2014, 11:38 PM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Dividing-Head-/251675863374?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item3a990ce94e

One for BT :U

Anorak Bob
17th Oct 2014, 08:35 AM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Dividing-Head-/251675863374?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item3a990ce94e

One for BT :U

Way too big for me Andre. And then there's the issue of the irreplaceable broken handwheels even if it wasn't too big.

Here's the brochure for an older version, dimensions and weights are included - http://www.woodworkforums.com/showthread.php?t=177666&p=1710809#post1710809

BT

Michael G
17th Oct 2014, 06:14 PM
... And then there's the issue of the irreplaceable broken handwheels ...

They don't look all that complicated - bit of work with a dividing head but an Al replacement would not be difficult.

Michael

morrisman
18th Oct 2014, 10:23 PM
I think you could sharpen your toe nails with this machine .. looks a beauty

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TOOL-AND-CUTTER-GRINDER-CINCINATTI-MONOSET-/171505785595?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item27ee8a9afb

Anorak Bob
18th Oct 2014, 10:41 PM
I think you could sharpen your toe nails with this machine .. looks a beauty

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TOOL-AND-CUTTER-GRINDER-CINCINATTI-MONOSET-/171505785595?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item27ee8a9afb

No nail sharpening setups here but I'm sure you could devise something..... http://www.woodworkforums.com/showthread.php?t=137131&p=1336209#post1336209

BT

.RC.
19th Oct 2014, 08:31 PM
Some hobby sized machines coming up here in Sydney -->> http://www.graysonline.com/sale/7872/manufacturing/assets-for-sale?spr=true

matthew_g
20th Oct 2014, 12:29 AM
Some hobby sized machines coming up here in Sydney -->> http://www.graysonline.com/sale/7872/manufacturing/assets-for-sale?spr=true

LOL !!!
Although I still reakon I could fit that Stanko lathe in:compress: everything else

jmebgo
20th Oct 2014, 11:49 AM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Shaping-Machine-Invicta-4M-/221579838085

Near Brisbane. Has a buy it now price. Has a vice too.

markgray
20th Oct 2014, 05:50 PM
Saw this lathe on Ebay

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Lathe-metal-free-delivery-Melbourne-metro-/251683707134?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item3a998498fe

I have one the same ( but paid a lot more) and can throughly recommend. Don't have hardened ways so are prone to wear and given a bit of rusty colour on the ways you would want to check it out first. Very heavy at around 2.5 tonnes but he says he will deliver in Melbourne for free so that is a bonus. Super rigid construction and loads of power and if in good condition at that price it is a steal.

Mark

DSEL74
21st Oct 2014, 08:24 AM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Lotze-power-hacksaw-/251684969566?ssPageName=ADME:SS:SS:AU:3160
Morisset NSW

morrisman
22nd Oct 2014, 11:26 AM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Kasto-Power-Hacksaw/171507134035?_trksid=p2054897.c100204.m3164&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140407115239%26meid%3D1dacce6d00534307b2ed059eb5b82fc0%26pid%3D100204%26prg%3D20140407115239%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D20%26sd%3D251684969566

matthew_g
24th Oct 2014, 01:22 PM
I thought I would offer this here to members before I list on Ebay.
It's a King Industrial Co
Tool and Cutter Grinder.
3ph in perfect working order.

To forum members I will accept $280.00 if no body here wants it I will list it on Ebay
starting at $300.00. Once on Ebay it could go much higher.
These units are well over $2000,00 new.

Thanks Matt

Vernonv
24th Oct 2014, 02:15 PM
I would certainly consider it if it was closer. :(

welder
24th Oct 2014, 04:19 PM
I thought I would offer this here to members before I list on Ebay.
It's a King Industrial Co
Tool and Cutter Grinder.
3ph in perfect working order.

To forum members I will accept $280.00 if no body here wants it I will list it on Ebay
starting at $300.00. Once on Ebay it could go much higher.
These units are well over $2000,00 new.

Thanks Matt

I would take it if I were closer :no:

Pete F
25th Oct 2014, 01:05 PM
I thought I would offer this here to members before I list on Ebay.
It's a King Industrial Co
Tool and Cutter Grinder.
3ph in perfect working order.

To forum members I will accept $280.00 if no body here wants it I will list it on Ebay
starting at $300.00. Once on Ebay it could go much higher.
These units are well over $2000,00 new.

Thanks Matt

That's a pretty neat little grinder. I haven't seen one of these before, you say they're over $2k new, who sells them new?

snapatap
26th Oct 2014, 07:53 PM
I'm amazed none of you guys bought this bargain surface plate.:U I wonder how long until they drop the price.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/solid-castiron-marking-off-table-circa-1920-/221586384608?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item339793e6e0

(http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/solid-castiron-marking-off-table-circa-1920-/221586384608?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item339793e6e0)

danielwaus
27th Oct 2014, 01:22 PM
If anyone is interested.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Boring-and-Facing-Head-Similar-To-Wohlhaupter-/221583853168?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item33976d4670 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Boring-and-Facing-Head-Similar-To-Wohlhaupter-/221583853168?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item33976d4670)

Aciera F3 Milling machine

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Aciera-F3-Milling-machine-/251685002363?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item3a99985c7b

.RC.
27th Oct 2014, 02:33 PM
Anyone else spot the epic fail with that boring head?

Vernonv
27th Oct 2014, 05:13 PM
This one (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Boring-and-Facing-Head-Similar-To-Wohlhaupter-/221583853168?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item33976d4670)? Please enlighten us.

.RC.
27th Oct 2014, 05:56 PM
What stops the head from falling out?

kwijibo99
27th Oct 2014, 08:26 PM
I've often wondered at the logic behind boring heads whose MT shanks have tangs but there is obviously a good reason for it or why make them?
The one in question has a MT-2 TANG shank specified on its data plate so it must have come from the manufacturer that way.
Confusing enough on a baby like the one listed but Wohlhaupter list an MT5 tang shank for the UPA-5 apparently for something made by OERLIKON? Radial arm drill, jig or horizontal borer maybe?
An MT doesn't have any facility for dogs so a tang is the only way to positively stop one from spinning in its socket, still scary to think of it coming loose with nothing to retain it though.
Wouldn't call it a fail, just don't know the reason for it.

RayG
27th Oct 2014, 10:28 PM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/251685002363?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

I think someone got a bargain... especially considering the accessories...

Ray

RayG
27th Oct 2014, 10:31 PM
What stops the head from falling out?

Umm, MT2 it's a locking taper? Or are you talking about something else? Confused...

Ray

Pete F
28th Oct 2014, 12:47 AM
Yeah the guy was crazy to sell all that together. I offered to buy the slotting head only, but he wanted to sell them all together.

Maybe not the finest looking F3 I've ever seen, but it was a good price.

Ray is right, Morse taper is self locking and the tab does precisely squat in driving anything. It's there just to remove it, and I have tapers with cap screws, dobs of welds, and all sorts of things hanging off the end. If you look at how the tab sits up in the slot and it often doesn't even touch anything, assuming if course there even is a slot! I don't think a drawbar would be necessary for a boring head, even when facing, as there's no real pulling force on it. The geometry of the cutter is trying to force it back up in to the taper so you should be sweet as bro.

edut: sorry I stand corructed. I've just remembered some configurations of reverse facing etc where you could indeed be pulling on the taper. I've never done it on mine so dunno how it would go. Carefully I guess :D

.RC.
28th Oct 2014, 07:02 AM
Umm, MT2 it's a locking taper? Or are you talking about something else? Confused...

Ray

Locking tapers do not work too well with unbalanced loads... The tool eventually works loose and falls out.. Bigger machines with morse tapers like some radial drills and of course horizontal borers, have a second slot which is to retain tools via a retainer key..

As an aside, I have seen older machine tools with morse taper spindles that do have driving slots for driving dogs...

kwijibo99
29th Oct 2014, 08:48 PM
Not a bad price for a set of Dumont broaches, not super cheap but not bad if they're not blunt, seller also has a metric set.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Minute-Man-duMont-Imperial-Broach-Set-Number-10/271645973625?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140107090050%26meid%3D06fc645ca7bd442298bdf2b01912f679%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D20140107090050%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D221583853168

cba_melbourne
29th Oct 2014, 10:19 PM
......Morse taper is self locking and the tab does precisely squat in driving anything. It's there just to remove it......... http://d1r5wj36adg1sk.cloudfront.net/images/smilies/standard/biggrin.gif

Not exactly. Whilst it is correct the tang does not transmit a driving force, it does nevertheless prevent the arbor from spinning. If the arbor is allowed to spin, even only once, it would score both the male and female taper ruining accuracy. Also, a once scored taper will forever slip, until the damage is removed. You can see this very well on smaller lathe's tailstocks, which have no flats in the barrel to prevent the arbor from slipping. Most of these lathes do eventually suffer from scored barrel tapers.

Morse tapers are self locking. Especially so highly accurate, polished Morse tapers - they hold together by Van der Waals forces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_der_Waals_force). However, the smallest dirt/dust/hair/oil/grease when putting the tapers together will greatly diminish this force. Hence the need for a high degree of cleanliness if considering using these for boring (without a drawbar).

Michael G
30th Oct 2014, 07:06 AM
Not a bad price for a set of Dumont broaches, not super cheap but not bad if they're not blunt, seller also has a metric set.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Minute-Man-duMont-Imperial-Broach-Set-Number-10/271645973625?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140107090050%26meid%3D06fc645ca7bd442298bdf2b01912f679%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D20140107090050%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D221583853168

A new set from the US will cost around US$350 plus freight, so not too bad. Broaches are one of those occasional use tools so provided they did not come from a production environment I suspect that they would still be reasonably sharp. I bought mine second hand and haven't had a problem. From the information I've just looked at I think 5/16 listed is probably 3/8" but that's minor.

I have a couple of sets of metric and imperial broaches so if a member has a one off hole that needs a key way I can probably assist. Larger key ways can be done on a shaper but for the small ones broaching is the way to go.

Michael

Michael G
30th Oct 2014, 07:17 AM
Bigger machines with morse tapers like some radial drills and of course horizontal borers, have a second slot which is to retain tools via a retainer key...

One of my boring heads arrived with a MT5 taper (with tang) adapter on it. I can only assume some brave soul drove it in a radial arm drill. No second retaining key though. I think once you have a decent size taper, the forces from a boring bar become small enough not to worry the retention.

On the subject of which part drives a MT (the taper should take the torque, in the imperfect world we live in, invariably the tang contributes - let's not start that argument again) I have a counterfeit brand name 23mm drill with a beautifully twisted tang - the taper was not correct so the tang has done the work.

Michael

.RC.
2nd Nov 2014, 07:27 PM
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Pete F
3rd Nov 2014, 10:52 PM
On the subject of which part drives a MT (the taper should take the torque, in the imperfect world we live in, invariably the tang contributes - let's not start that argument again) I have a counterfeit brand name 23mm drill with a beautifully twisted tang - the taper was not correct so the tang has done the work.

The fact the taper twisted should settle any argument once and for all, as that's what they will do if they take any significant torque, they will twist, sometimes off completely if the lock of the taper fails catastrophically! Sadly most of us have seen the results of what happens when a tang takes a load :oo:

For others who rely on Google for all that is wise in the world may like to consider why, if a tang is so important to prevent a taper from slipping and scoring the tapers, there's not one on the other end? :rolleyes: A Morse taper and a Jacobs taper are both very similar in angle, both around 1:20, I have never seen a Jacobs taper with a tang. Yet at the other end, with a far longer and theoretically therefore more secure taper, there's a tang. Similarly, many early milling machines are Morse taper, they could easily pass a draw bar through a tang, they don't. Never seen or heard of one that takes a tang, the drawbar goes directly down in to the end of the Morse taper and the taper is ejected (sometimes with difficulty in my experience) via the drawbar. The tang is there to get the taper out. That's it, no other reason, move on. Indeed if the tang does twist, it can be a right SOB to get out as they sometimes get stuck in there!

Google can be a wonderful tool, but the problem with it that it can just perpetuate rubbish and misinformation that just gets accepted as gospel without considering if it makes logical common sense.

Ueee
4th Nov 2014, 12:25 AM
www.ebay.com.au/itm/131335814713 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/131335814713)

Isn't that the same one thats been for sale for ages?
I remember discussing the other lathe he has with the 4 feed rods/lead screws/switch rods.

matthew_g
4th Nov 2014, 10:39 AM
The fact the taper twisted should settle any argument once and for all, as that's what they will do if they take any significant torque, they will twist, sometimes off completely if the lock of the taper fails catastrophically! Sadly most of us have seen the results of what happens when a tang takes a load :oo:

For others who rely on Google for all that is wise in the world may like to consider why, if a tang is so important to prevent a taper from slipping and scoring the tapers, there's not one on the other end? :rolleyes: A Morse taper and a Jacobs taper are both very similar in angle, both around 1:20, I have never seen a Jacobs taper with a tang. Yet at the other end, with a far longer and theoretically therefore more secure taper, there's a tang. Similarly, many early milling machines are Morse taper, they could easily pass a draw bar through a tang, they don't. Never seen or heard of one that takes a tang, the drawbar goes directly down in to the end of the Morse taper and the taper is ejected (sometimes with difficulty in my experience) via the drawbar. The tang is there to get the taper out. That's it, no other reason, move on. Indeed if the tang does twist, it can be a right SOB to get out as they sometimes get stuck in there!

Google can be a wonderful tool, but the problem with it that it can just perpetuate rubbish and misinformation that just gets accepted as gospel without considering if it makes logical common sense.
Seconded...........
No tang = no ejection via the drift key slot.

Matt

steamingbill
4th Nov 2014, 12:00 PM
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/gingery_machines/conversations/topics/143;_ylc=X3oDMTM0a3FlZjBmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI0NTcxNzUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDE1NTk0BG1zZ0lkAzM2NzgxBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTQxNTAxNDg3MwR0cGNJZAMxNDM-

Thats a horrible link - zillions of characters long

Post on Yahoo forums, a bloke in Townsville wants to give away his almost finished gingery lathe for free

Even if it was an awful terrible nasty thing you'd get some lumps of aluminium out of it.


Bill

cba_melbourne
4th Nov 2014, 03:27 PM
The fact the taper twisted should settle any argument once and for all, as that's what they will do if they take any significant torque, they will twist, sometimes off completely if the lock of the taper fails catastrophically! Sadly most of us have seen the results of what happens when a tang takes a load :oo:

For others who rely on Google for all that is wise in the world may like to consider why, if a tang is so important to prevent a taper from slipping and scoring the tapers, there's not one on the other end? :rolleyes: A Morse taper and a Jacobs taper are both very similar in angle, both around 1:20, I have never seen a Jacobs taper with a tang. Yet at the other end, with a far longer and theoretically therefore more secure taper, there's a tang. Similarly, many early milling machines are Morse taper, they could easily pass a draw bar through a tang, they don't. Never seen or heard of one that takes a tang, the drawbar goes directly down in to the end of the Morse taper and the taper is ejected (sometimes with difficulty in my experience) via the drawbar. The tang is there to get the taper out. That's it, no other reason, move on. Indeed if the tang does twist, it can be a right SOB to get out as they sometimes get stuck in there!

Google can be a wonderful tool, but the problem with it that it can just perpetuate rubbish and misinformation that just gets accepted as gospel without considering if it makes logical common sense.


Pete, it may have escaped you that Jacobs tapers are usually used to attach chucks to an arbor. Something that is usually done only once and then lasts for the life of the chuck. Whereas Morse tapers are constantly swapped out and changed and are therefore subject to become dirty. Just think of your Hercus lathe tailstock.

The problem with slipping Morse tapers is actually a problem of POOR WORKSHOP HYGIENE. Oil, dust, dirt, whatever, if not very carefully cleaned off both male and female taper surfaces WILL CAUSE SLIPPAGE.
- If like on your Hercus lathe TS, there is nothing to catch the tang, then any slippage will cause scoring. And once scored, a Morse taper will keep slipping until you remove the score.
- If there is a slot to catch the tang, then slippage can not happen, but the entire cutting forces have to be taken up by the tang, which may twist or break off.

The one and only way to avoid this, are good workshop practices and workshop hygiene. Like NEVER use a tool with rust on its taper, ALWAYS remove dents or scores on a tool's taper before inserting them, ALWAYS carefully and methodically clean both male and female tapers before putting them together. Spend the money for a taper cleaner, that is a tapered wooden plug with chamois leather strips glued onto it to clean the insides of female tapers (you get them for Morse tapers as well as for ISO tapers and others). Never seen one? I am very sorry, now I have to use that dreaded Google to find a pic to show you, since my brain does not yet have an embedded scanner. Here you go:
330256

There are more reasons than dirt, dents, and scores that can cause slippage. Poorly made tapers from low cost Chinese and Indian makers have more recently become a source of slippage. Either the taper is slightly off the correct angle, or it has a step, or the grinding finish is way too coarse.

And Pete, may I ask you to refrain in future from these childish Google versus practical experience comments? Practical experience is fine, but it is limited and can not provide all answers. The Internet evolved back in the 80's first in Univerities and technical colleges and research institutes, before it found its way into everyone's home. Eversince any reasearch work has become heavily dependant on the Internet and search engines. You are well advised to make better use of it yourself, rather than damn it.

Pete F
4th Nov 2014, 07:00 PM
Oh for goodness sake. :rolleyes:

Chris it may have escaped you that I provided clear and unambiguous examples of morse tapering being used in machines other than drills where no tang is used, I guess you missed that bit. In fact the ONLY place that comes to mind that they ARE used is in situations where there is no drawbar to eject the taper. However feel free to Google up examples where slots for tangs are fitted to milling machines for example. Furthermore you contradicted yourself in saying, quite correctly, that there is no slot for the tang in a Hercus for example. The tang (or something) is required nevertheless to eject the taper. That's what it does. That's ALL it does, and it has little capacity to transmit torque.

How any of your rather lengthy discussion on taper "hygiene" relates to any of this is beyond me. Milling machine tooling is removed even more frequently that lathe tailstock tooling, is just as important to keep clean, is just as likely to spin in the taper, guess what, no tang. Why, because none is needed. Why, because there's instead a drawbar to eject it. Your argument doesn't even stand the most basic test of common sense!

I can feel Google groaning again under the strain of your retort, so I'll let you have the last word as frankly I'm done with this. However while you're there type in "busted tailstock tang" or similar to see how good they are are stopping a taper from spinning. I've tried to illustrate how logically what you're saying makes no sense whatsoever, and encouraged you to think critically about it for yourself instead of just perpetuating some nonsense you read courtesy of Google. But frankly I'm done with your seemingly incessant need to contradict everything anyone ever says on this board. Over to you, care factor zero in what you have to say about it as I'm off to USE my machines :((

morrisman
4th Nov 2014, 11:14 PM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/tool-cutter-grinder-/261644524784?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item3ceb3a9cf0


(http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/tool-cutter-grinder-/261644524784?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item3ceb3a9cf0)

Seems as if there are now two of these on the planet

http://www.lathes.co.uk/perfecto/page5.html

Ch4iS
4th Nov 2014, 11:49 PM
Seen this gem while browsing ebay, Myford ML10

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Lathe-metal-Myford-/271656983892

morrisman
4th Nov 2014, 11:54 PM
Looks like an Invicta shaper going cheap

The lathes UK writeup on these is positive

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Slotting-Machine/201207051445?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140106155344%26meid%3Df1918f341f904538b7c3c2944c41fca4%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D20140106155344%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D281482385399&rt=nc

jmebgo
5th Nov 2014, 10:33 AM
http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/blacktown/miscellaneous-goods/metal-working-lathe/1061153403

morrisman
5th Nov 2014, 09:20 PM
Seen this gem while browsing ebay, Myford ML10

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Lathe-metal-Myford-/271656983892

The ML10 was the no frills lathe MYFORD made . It was aimed at the buyer who could not afford the better equipped ML7 or the Super 7 . The headstock bearings on the ML10 ran in the cast iron rather than white metal . A ML10 would still be a good lathe and that one on EBAY looks nice . Mike

DSEL74
6th Nov 2014, 10:13 AM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Hartford-Vertical-Mill/141460749690?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140106155344%26meid%3D71f2841fd9ac463380b6de154fd6614e%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D20140106155344%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D381031751770&rt=nc
Hartford Vertical Mill looks like a bridgeport




http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Waldown-Sensitive-Drill-press-pedestal-bench-240V-professional-fine-drilling-/251705596115?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item3a9ad298d3
Waldown Sensitive Drill press pedestal bench 240V professional fine drilling

matthew_g
6th Nov 2014, 10:43 AM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Hartford-Vertical-Mill/141460749690?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140106155344%26meid%3D71f2841fd9ac463380b6de154fd6614e%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D20140106155344%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D381031751770&rt=nc
Hartford Vertical Mill looks like a bridgeport

I would like to know what their hiding under the steel plate on the table.. Hmmm
Could be very interesting.:?:?:?

Matt

DSEL74
6th Nov 2014, 11:30 AM
I would like to know what their hiding under the steel plate on the table.. Hmmm
Could be very interesting.:?:?:?

Matt


In working condition although the table is worn & has back lash & r8 collet. No coolant pump or plumbing 3 phase. All inspections welcome
Sounds like he'd probably tell you if ya asked.

cba_melbourne
6th Nov 2014, 10:08 PM
The ML10 was the no frills lathe MYFORD made . It was aimed at the buyer who could not afford the better equipped ML7 or the Super 7 . The headstock bearings on the ML10 ran in the cast iron rather than white metal . A ML10 would still be a good lathe and that one on EBAY looks nice . Mike

Mike, the ML10 was much smaller and lighter than the ML7. The ML10 was only 53kg without the motor, whereas the ML7 was between 100kg (ML7-R) and 111kg (ML-Super7) without motor and stand. Also the ML10 had no gap bed and no Norton box. Price-wise as I recall, the ML10 was only half as dear as the Super7.

Now regarding the headstock bearings, yes up to 1978 the spindle ran directly in the split headstock iron castings, with only 840rpm max spindle speed. For one year from 1978 to 1979 the spindle had grease packed roller bearings capable of much higher rpm, but still geared for max 840rpm. From 1979 onwards, the ML10S (S for Speed) came then with roller bearings and a maximum speed of 2000rpm. The latter is of course a much more desirable model, unless one mainly intends working with cast iron.

The one with the ebay link seems a rare bargain given the condition and accessories. I feel sorry with the seller - obviously loved it and looked after it well, now must sell for health reasons. It sems to be the low speed version though, because the S version had a large red on white "speed 10" sign on the diagonal top cover. Where the low speed model had instead a sign depicting both step pulleys and corresponding 6 speeds.

See also http://www.lathes.co.uk/myfordml10/ for more info. I happen to still have the German language Myford sales flyers from 30 years ago for the ML10, ML10S and ML7. Back then I choose to buy the Emco instead, because of the greater center height and the more modern design. By the way, an interesting feature of the ML10 is the lever operated dog clutch for the leadscrew, a retro-fittable optional extra (but missing on the lathe in the eBay link).

Legion
9th Nov 2014, 01:01 AM
Anyone in Perth and wants a cheap quality TIG?

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/eden-hill/power-tools/tig-welder-cig-acdc/1061167663

These have a good reputation and it comes with everything you need, but you need a solid three phase outlet to power it and room to store it and muscle to move it. Cheap.

morrisman
11th Nov 2014, 01:01 PM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Machine-Levelling-Pads-Ajustable-Mounting-Blocks-4-sets-in-a-lot-/201214824316?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item2ed9568f7c

.RC.
14th Nov 2014, 11:31 PM
A good scraping table...

http://www.graysonline.com/lot/0119-5012072/engineering-and-toolmaking/oscillating-and-tilting-heavy-duty-slot-table-brand-and-model-not-shown-s

Years ago I bought a lathe off the company selling all this stuff... They were good to deal with...

Ueee
15th Nov 2014, 10:43 PM
A couple of nice Stanko's in that auction RC.

Is it just me or are there heaps of high speed Waldowns for sale at the moment?

Ew

.RC.
17th Nov 2014, 01:18 PM
Another little Deckel

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/ingleburn/other-automotive/milling-sloter-drilling-and-borra-machine-many-tools/1062220580

Garry 3
18th Nov 2014, 12:25 AM
Not something you see often http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HILGER-WATTS-MICROPTIC-AUTOCOLLIMATOR-original-wooden-box-/331377317373?pt=AU_B_I_Electrical_Test_Equipment&hash=item4d27a095fd

.RC.
18th Nov 2014, 08:56 AM
Going by the description, the seller has absolutely no clue what she/he is selling... All he/she has done is cut and paste from wikipedia.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autocollimator

jmebgo
18th Nov 2014, 11:57 PM
http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/adelaide-region/miscellaneous-goods/9-hercus-lathe-/1062468924

Note the straightedge, might be of interest to someone.

Joe

.RC.
19th Nov 2014, 09:12 PM
Looks to be a 4 or 5 footer.... I am not sure but it may have a dovetail..

Garry 3
20th Nov 2014, 12:57 AM
Looks to be a 4 or 5 footer.... I am not sure but it may have a dovetail..

1000mm and it's gone.

The lathe is very well equipped however.

electrosteam
20th Nov 2014, 05:39 PM
I have just listed this lathe for a friend ( same guy has still got the 3.5 T shaper ).
The starting price is what he directed, advice as to its true auction value gladly accepted.
My friend has just bought a new lathe at the H&F sale, so I think there will also be a Nuttall available soon.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-Visby-Metal-Lathe-/281503632671?

John

markgray
20th Nov 2014, 09:00 PM
Looks to be a 4 or 5 footer.... I am not sure but it may have a dovetail..

I also sent him a note. Said someone had offered him $500 and if noone could better that he would sell it. I already have an 18 inch and 6ft camelback straight edges but would love one that size. Will keep looking

Mark

.RC.
20th Nov 2014, 09:46 PM
Said someone had offered him $500 and if noone could better that he would sell it.

Hmm I wonder if there is any truth to his "$500 offer"... I just struggle to believe it, but you never know...

I just checked US ebay and had a chuckle at this... The 18" Craig Donges straight edge I have, that has been heat treated of sorts and is fully scraped in must be worth a fortune now... Back when they were available the 18" bare casting was US$90 delivered to lower US states.. They must be collectors items now going by this price..

www.ebay.com/itm/Craig-Donges-18-034-Camelback-Straight-Edge-/271617724655

Pete F
21st Nov 2014, 03:17 PM
Well, it IS red Richard :D I'm not sure if that makes a straight edge go faster or not. It does look like he went to the RC school of painting however, and given how much I know you just love painting there's sure to be a premium attached to such a master piece.

Based on that price, as soon as I get home I'm going to strip the hammertone off mine, run a grinder over the base, and paint it ugly!!! Apparently it will immediately double in value!

.RC.
21st Nov 2014, 05:10 PM
It is disappointing that I painted mine blue... It was the time before I because artistically enlightened with colour schemes..

morrisman
22nd Nov 2014, 11:15 AM
The brown and smart lathe on ebay looks nice

jmebgo
24th Nov 2014, 04:55 PM
http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/panorama/miscellaneous-goods/pultra-pta-1590-metal-lathe/1062990853

markgray
24th Nov 2014, 08:45 PM
If only this was 20-50 times more sensitive

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-Flatness-Surface-Gauge-Gage-Depth-Waviness-Inspection-Machinist-German-/121496159467?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c49bc44eb

steamingbill
26th Nov 2014, 07:51 PM
Heaps and heaps of them starting bid $20 Perth.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Model-Engineer-grown-men-on-toy-trains/221617460985?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140107090050%26meid%3Dabb6a8ca5b504978b6e2cdab1ac08532%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D20140107090050%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D221596704526


I contacted the seller, approx 11 boxes at average of 11kg each box - postage/freight is awful from Perth to Vic .... but if you live in Perth ........ might be easy to pick up

If that horrible big long link has been corrupted search ebay for "Model-Engineer-grown-men-on-toy-trains"

Bill

Michael G
26th Nov 2014, 09:55 PM
http://www.graysonline.com/sale/3008605/engineering-and-toolmaking/mostly-unreserved-metrology-equipment?spr=true

Ueee
26th Nov 2014, 10:15 PM
http://www.graysonline.com/sale/3008605/engineering-and-toolmaking/mostly-unreserved-metrology-equipment?spr=true

Bugger! Why did you go poking around on grays and then post it here??

.RC.
26th Nov 2014, 10:22 PM
I just hope Ray can handle such fine measurement... Since he is bidding I will not...

RayG
27th Nov 2014, 02:28 AM
I just hope Ray can handle such fine measurement... Since he is bidding I will not...

Thanks for the thought, but if you ( or anyone else on the forum ) want something, go ahead and bid for it, if you want it more than anyone else does, it's yours, I won't be offended.. don't back off on my account.

In fact, I'm happy to help with collection and postage, assuming I'm going to be there collecting something of course... :)

Ray

variant22
27th Nov 2014, 10:46 AM
Rustic Huron KU4 yard ornament for the princely sum of 5k anyone?

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/prestons/heavy-farming-agriculture-equipment/huron-ku4-universal-milling-machine-not-working-/1063151256

RayG
27th Nov 2014, 04:16 PM
Rustic Huron KU4 yard ornament for the princely sum of 5k anyone?

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/prestons/heavy-farming-agriculture-equipment/huron-ku4-universal-milling-machine-not-working-/1063151256


Tell him he's dreaming...


Would have been a nice machine once...

Ray

Piers037
27th Nov 2014, 04:21 PM
Tell him he's dreaming...


Would have been a nice machine once...

Ray

Exactly my thoughts Ray. It baffles me how someone can take an operational machine and then leave it out in the weather. Why not sell it or give it away before F*%$ing it up.....

Cheers

Piers

Vernonv
27th Nov 2014, 04:45 PM
... and then still thinking it's worth $5000?!?!?!

markgray
27th Nov 2014, 05:04 PM
It happens more often than you think. Farm machinery is a classic. No room in the shed so it has to stay out in the weather. Before you know it the machine is buggered.
I delivered a PAL mill and cholchester chipmaster lathe to a friend 2 months ago (given to him by his toolmaker uncle) but no room in his shed so left them outside. Still there to this day although he tells me they have a tarp over them. Should go back and get them and put them in my shed because I think they may never move! Plenty of people would love to have those machines (good quality and in good nick).

.RC.
27th Nov 2014, 05:39 PM
It happens more often than you think. Farm machinery is a classic. No room in the shed so it has to stay out in the weather. Before you know it the machine is buggered.
I delivered a PAL mill and cholchester chipmaster lathe to a friend 2 months ago (given to him by his toolmaker uncle) but no room in his shed so left them outside. Still there to this day although he tells me they have a tarp over them. Should go back and get them and put them in my shed because I think they may never move! Plenty of people would love to have those machines (good quality and in good nick).

My 10EE when at the previous owner lived outside and under a tarp for a few years.. There was minimal corrosion damage... It was not out in a paddock though... It was on cement...

I would pay $100 for that Huron if it was local and could be loaded... Other then that is it worthless... A CNC mill would be a much more worthwhile investment.. Hurons while nice machines have had their day in the sun, but it is twilight for them now...

thorens
28th Nov 2014, 10:42 PM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/MAHO-MH700-Tool-Room-Universal-Milling-Machine-with-Tooling-/111532039245?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item19f7d3dc4d

Peter

variant22
28th Nov 2014, 11:38 PM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/MAHO-MH700-Tool-Room-Universal-Milling-Machine-with-Tooling-/111532039245?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item19f7d3dc4d

Peter
Shame they are Morse Taper 4 and not a 40 taper. This is the second Maho 700 I have seen in the last couple of months. The other one was on Grays and went for $1,500. They are about FP2 size but seem to have less X travel.

http://www.graysonline.com/lot/0357-5011295/

Ueee
29th Nov 2014, 10:08 AM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/MAHO-MH700-Tool-Room-Universal-Milling-Machine-with-Tooling-/111532039245?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item19f7d3dc4d

Peter

Isn't that the same one that was for sale earlier this year, maybe even last year? The was one on ebay with real similar photo's if it's not. It would be a bargain if it had some accessories. I'd imagine finding Maho accessories would be harder than finding Deckel ones!

Ew

morrisman
29th Nov 2014, 11:14 AM
LOOKS A SOLID LATHE FOR THE MONEY

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/melbourne-region/miscellaneous-goods/good-condition-universal-lathe-for-sale/1063360634

thorens
29th Nov 2014, 05:01 PM
Isn't that the same one that was for sale earlier this year, maybe even last year? The was one on ebay with real similar photo's if it's not. It would be a bargain if it had some accessories. I'd imagine finding Maho accessories would be harder than finding Deckel ones!

Ew

Good Day Ew.
no i'm not sure if it the same one.
i thinking accesssories for this machine is indeed harder to find than the Deckel.
Peter

RayG
30th Nov 2014, 01:00 PM
Varnamo Shaper, nice to see the vice still there....

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Metal-Shaper-Varnamo-/161502666839?ssPageName=ADME:SS:SS:AU:1120

Ray

cba_melbourne
30th Nov 2014, 10:18 PM
Nice Britannia hobbylathe, Melbourne
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Britannia-UK-Metal-Hobby-Lathe-650mm-x-140mm-swing-in-gap-stand-accessories/121501116110?_trksid=p2045573.c100034.m2102&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140410092834%26meid%3D650a03ac67724aa392d3b5cfd3dc6756%26pid%3D100034%26prg%3D20140410092834%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D8%26sd%3D281493183490

DSEL74
30th Nov 2014, 10:28 PM
I saw that Britannia. What are all the holes in the saddle, is there bits missing?

cba_melbourne
30th Nov 2014, 10:44 PM
I saw that Britannia. What are all the holes in the saddle, is there bits missing?

I do not know. Maybe for accessories? Lubrication access? Maybe to adjust half nuts? In any case, the pics on the lathes.co.uk site show exactly the same holes:
http://www.lathes.co.uk/britannia/page3.html
They say its a 1920 to 1930 model, and one of the last made by Britannia.

Michael G
2nd Dec 2014, 05:43 PM
Ray pointed out a lathe in another thread but there was also a T&C mis-labelled there too.
http://www.evansclarke.com.au/detail.asp?id=784578#img
Michael

.RC.
2nd Dec 2014, 10:11 PM
Here is something you do not see very often... Real scraping marks on a second hand machine being sold... Look at the 4th, 5th and 6th photo's.. the top of the table.. The rebuild mentioned in the ad was actually done... The price is in fairy land though in today's CNC world..

www.ebay.com.au/itm/Cylindrical-Grinder-/221622229423

morrisman
3rd Dec 2014, 12:24 PM
http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/south-hurstville/miscellaneous-goods/lathe-demco/1063445533

some of these had a camlock spindle



http://www.lathes.co.uk/purcell/page2.html

DSEL74
5th Dec 2014, 07:51 AM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Pedistal-drill-/271690880041?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item3f4209d429

markgray
8th Dec 2014, 04:29 PM
One of the first of what is likely to turn into a flood. This is going to be sad over the next few years.


http://www.graysonline.com/sale/3008823/manufacturing/automotive-component-manufacturer-liquidation?spr=true



Mark

DSEL74
8th Dec 2014, 04:57 PM
If anyone is particularly interested in something at that auction it is one suburb over from me, I can do my best to take photos and look things over. I can also probably collect & hold small items that fit in the boot of a car.

snapatap
9th Dec 2014, 06:29 PM
I hope this finds a good home
http://www.graysonline.com/lot/0052-3008697/construction-scaffolding-and-formwork/shaper-slotter-planner-george-cohen-1000mm-by-560mm-bed

bwal74
9th Dec 2014, 06:49 PM
Sidchrome steel vice:

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/minto/other-tools-diy/sidchrome-vice-100mm-all-steel-work-bench-vice-quality-tools-/1064288855

It's not far from my place if someone needs it held or mailed.

Ben.

Ueee
9th Dec 2014, 08:43 PM
I hope this finds a good home
http://www.graysonline.com/lot/0052-3008697/construction-scaffolding-and-formwork/shaper-slotter-planner-george-cohen-1000mm-by-560mm-bed

I can just make out Phils T's name on that, i hope he has seen it.
PM incoming Phil......