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30th October 2014, 07:52 PM #1GOLD MEMBER
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A new source of inspiration.....the rubbish bin!. W.i.p.
Was recently cutting out a number of 90mm sacrificial discs for a turning job from a stud (90 x 35mm) of radiata pine.
For some reason that I can not remember, the underside of the pine stud had had a few close together holes drilled in it.
I did not notice these holes until the disc had been cut out. All the other discs were fine but this one was unsuitable for its intended use. Normally something like this would be chucked in the rubbish bin or thrown in the wood heater. Here is a picture of the offending disc.....
DSCF4415.jpg Something about this disc caught my eye however, it kind of reminded me of a cylinder from a revolver.
Got me thinking it might be fun to make a sculptural revolver. One that is reasonably realistic but scaled up a few times to make it a bit ridiculous.
To make a scaled up sculpture of something it's a good idea to have a starting point and as I don't have any revolvers kicking around, I found there are plenty of pictures like this one available on the net....
Ruger2.jpg However it's harder to find pictures with dimensions, and if you do find a blueprint picture the dimensions are so thorough they are a bit overwhelming.
Got in touch with a gun dealer who sells pistols and asked if I could come and take a few measurements of one of his revolvers so I could get the starting point for my sculpture.
He was initially concerned that I might have been some sort of "anti-gun trouble maker". I assured him I wasn't, in fact I have a licence for rifles and own a few. He was then happy to oblige. Here are some pictures of a "Ruger, security six" that he had for sale.
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Like guns or hate them, they are a pretty ingenious bit of engineering. Must say I was mightily impressed with this number and would love to own one if it weren't for all the hoops you have to jump through to get a licence for one.
Anyway, back to the sculpture.
Getting a few of the basic dimensions will make it easier to scale the thing up.
I am going for a scale of 3X.
So that is 3 times the length, 3 times width, 3 times height.
Or 3 X 3 x 3....which should result in a sculpture that is 27 times the volume of the model.
Not by any means a monumental sculpture. More like something from the "Crocodile Dundee" film when Paul Hogan says, "That's not a knife,this is a knife"
I have no desire to carve the piece from one block of wood. I find that approach way too difficult,time consuming,anal even.
Instead I intend to make it up from individual components and piece together.
Not even sure of the end product at this stage, in respect to finish. Maybe it will be stained to look like the real thing but bigger. Or maybe it will look like a timber replica.
Only intend to work on this one between other lobs as well, so it may take some time.
Got a break today and started on the revolvers cylinder.
It measures 120mm dia x 110mm long. The bullet chambers are 28mm dia (they theoretically should be 27mm) but you can't buy a 28mm spade bit round here. Do not want to get too pedantic now.
Timber is "King Billy pine". Bandsawn then disc sanded. Cylinder grooves marked out for carving.
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30th October 2014, 08:30 PM #2SENIOR MEMBER
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Well, I've seen the big lathe and the big peg in your shed, so why not a big revolver!
Philip.
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30th October 2014, 08:53 PM #3
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30th October 2014, 10:57 PM #4SENIOR MEMBER
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Looks like fun. Will follow with interest. There was an old gun smith in our area that turned his hand to making wooden replicas of famous pistol designs, all in wood and with working parts. His sold for tens of thousands each... Yours in 3x bigger so you should be able to get 3 times more $ right?
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31st October 2014, 06:37 AM #5
Move over Tony! I wanna watch too
Pat
Work is a necessary evil to be avoided. Mark Twain
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31st October 2014, 07:10 AM #6
going to interesting to see all the pieces being made and fitted together
nice one
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31st October 2014, 07:17 AM #7
beaudy - there was a chair left
what's next?regards
Nick
veni, vidi, tornavi
Without wood it's just ...
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31st October 2014, 09:00 AM #8GOLD MEMBER
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Interesting project.
You have picked one of the Rugers, good, solid and reliable but not usually regarded as one of the classic designs. Could I suggest you have a look at the the Colt Python or the Smith and Wesson model 29. These are easily recognised and tend to be regarded as modern classic revolvers. Whatever you choose I'm sure it will be a great talking point.
Just a thought.
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31st October 2014, 12:53 PM #9GOLD MEMBER
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Take a serious look at some of the old, old Colts from the 1800's
There's enough brass to give you ideas for wood choice.
Money? Yes, certainly. I would love to own a couple of 3X replicas of competition pistols
that I've owned (Unique Vitesse rapid fire, for example).
In the meantime, when you really need to scale it up:
http://www.meemes.com/tags/357-bbq
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31st October 2014, 07:08 PM #10GOLD MEMBER
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Hi Whittling
Was it this guy, Robert Talbot? http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/Talbot.htm
Must admit I didn't google timber replica guns before embarking on this project. His pieces sure are realistic! cripes, he even makes springs out of wood and the revolvers moving parts actually work.
Not really sure I want to go to those lengths? Originally thought I would aim at a piece that looked as realistic as possible (looked like it was real and would work) even if obviously over-sized.
Bob38S
Quote[You have picked one of the Rugers, good, solid and reliable but not usually regarded as one of the classic designs. Could I suggest you have a look at the the Colt Python or the Smith and Wesson model 29. These are easily recognised and tend to be regarded as modern classic revolvers.] Un-quote
I hear what your saying here, unfortunately the gun dealer who let me study and measure his gun did not have any of those classics in stock.
As this was the closest thing to what I had in mind I was happy to use it. He said it was what cops and security guards generally used.
Also I'd imagine future viewers or even potential buyers of the completed piece(if it ever gets finished) probably wouldn't know anything about pistols.
Robson Valley
That scaled up BBQ trailer is quite amusing and looks well made. As a sculptural item I would tend to give it the thumbs down though. You just don't see pistols with wheels or no handgrip/handle.
Sounds like you have owned a few, must say I am a bit jealous. Met some guys in a pub in Colorado when I was in the States who took me pistol shooting the next day at the local range. Had a fantastic time and thoroughly enjoyed it. It's just too much of a hassle here to get a pistol licence.
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31st October 2014, 08:25 PM #11GOLD MEMBER
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Appreciate your reply and understand the restrictions involved. I'm sure you will do the subject justice.
Look forward to it.
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1st November 2014, 09:21 AM #12SENIOR MEMBER
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Yes... Robert Talbot is the guy. I believe he died a few years ago now so the pieces that he left behind are becoming more valuable with time. I acquired a few pieces of exotic timber from him when I was first starting out whittling. Most of it was too hard for my skills at the time but are becoming more useful as I gain more experience.
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1st November 2014, 12:42 PM #13GOLD MEMBER
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A good deal of Talbot's work was purchased by a collector (?) who has put the lot up for sale.
Yeah, I used to shoot a lot of pistol decades ago. For legitimate club/target events, a licence
even in Canada was not too hard to get.
I liked the Olympic Rapid Fire event. 60 shots in 72 seconds and it's all over.
Only shooting event where you get to call the start.
But what turned me off was back in that time and day, the targets were human silhouettes.
On any given day, I could shoot 595x600. There's a thousand guys who can clean 600,
even in a match.
The other end of the spectrum (go big or go home) was Unlimited Pistol for International
Metallic Silhouette Assoc competition. I shot a bolt action, single shot, full .308 rifle
load pistol in Creedmore position. Banging a T4 steel ram at 200M takes a whole lot more
poop that a .44mag wheel gun.
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2nd November 2014, 02:42 AM #14GOLD MEMBER
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artful: another possibility would be a 3X scale replica of a shotgun. To this day, I regret selling a s/s 12ga Boito (Brazil) coach gun.
Just 2 left, both Baikal (Russia), of the 12 I had at one time.
Looking forward to seeing the development of the Ruger project.
Any Smith & Wesson result would sell in a minute in the States, you name the price.
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2nd November 2014, 06:19 PM #15GOLD MEMBER
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Still working on the cylinder, realised today that I don't want to make a scaled up sculptural gun with "working moving parts". Feel like that approach would drive me "round the bend, up the wall, nut's, banana's, etc"
Think I will be happy with a piece that looks as convincingly real as possible despite it's oversize dimensions. That will mean staining or painting the bits that are meant to look like metal and having the stock finished in a clear or oiled finish.
A couple of progress pictures..
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