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    Default Unsafe metal procedures you have seen online.

    In a previous post BaronJ made a comment about dangerous behaviors he has seen on UTube.
    It got me thinking.
    Each of us must have viewed at least one instance that makes you shake your head and think Hey! that's some really unsafe act the presenter is performing.

    Most of us are pretty seasoned metal workers but for some new to the our craft don't just do not know any better and it is they who might copy those dangerous procedures.

    I believe, anybody produces one of these metalworking how to's has some sort of innate responsibility to those inexperienced people who seek to copy the presenters project.

    I see this sort of thing even with guys that produce some really wonderful stuff but still fall short of the basics.You know the sort of thing I mean:

    Angle grinders with no guard and cutting one handed while holding the work to be cut.

    Drilling a plate on the drill press with no clamp, vice or hold down.

    What is the Utube or (other media for that matter) metal work poor procedure that bugs you? Tell us about it.

    If we can highlight some of these actions some new bloke might read it,take notice and be saved from a nasty injury.

    Here's hoping anyway.

    Grahame
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    The one I commonly see is welding done without long sleeves and/or gloves. It's not really a good practice to get into.

    Michael

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    Much as I love the Bad Obsession Project Binky series I always cringe when they drill holes in sheet metal using a step drill while just holding the steel by hand. Having had hand damage when much younger I still remember how long it took to get full use back.

    And don't get me started on the yank welding sites where they run grinders sans wheel guards. The manufacturers put them there for a reason, what would possess someone to take them off, it's not as though it gives you any more cutting depth.

    I worked with a guy once who welded (in the loosest possible sense of the word) without a helmet, when doing tacks or short runs he would line the gun up, squint, and pull the trigger. Lord knows how much damage he did to his sight. Couldn't be told though.

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    Hi Guys,

    I do wonder about the unsafe practice that is effectively being taught to viewers of these videos and sometimes the bad practice suggested in written text. While we all make errors in judgement sometimes, we hopefully escape without serious injury and learn something in the process.
    Best Regards:
    Baron J.

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    If you think you have seen bad metalworking, type in woodturning and see some really dangerous stuff.
    Rgds,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gavin Newman View Post
    I worked with a guy once who welded (in the loosest possible sense of the word) without a helmet, when doing tacks or short runs he would line the gun up, squint, and pull the trigger. Lord knows how much damage he did to his sight. Couldn't be told though.
    I know someone who did that; thought he got away with it, but over the following days his vision went cloudy and he ended up blind for 3 days. Lucky for him it was only temporary, but he never got his fine vision back and can't see with magnification what I can see with the naked eye.

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    I strongly suspect that the practice of using angle grinders without guards may actually be an accepted industry practice in the good ole Yew Ess of Aye. I have seen quite a few youtube films where well set up workshops had grinders with not a single guarded one in sight and I've also seen more than a few service trucks with the same on youtube. For an extremely litigious society, they regard safety in a strange manner.
    As far as youtube metalworking videos that get on my goat, anything by that Chucke2009 moron goes right to the top of the heap. His workmanship is poor, knowledge non existent and he doesn't speak properly.

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    Saw a bloke doing lathe work and clearing the long, stringy swarf from the tool with his hand as he went.

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    A classic one I watched last year was a Ning Nong who was demonstrating how to runs a DC treadmill motor from mains AC.
    The motor had a fly wheel/pulley that screwed onto the motor shaft.

    After demonstrating it working, said Ning then proceeded to demonstrate how one could reverse the motor direction by reversing the motor connections.

    The motor spun up and unscrewed the flywheel which went bouncing across his shed. I wish it had fallen onto his bare feet.

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    I could provide a long list from the mens shed I used to attend.

    A classic has to be one bloke holding a 150mm long piece of steel either side of the cut with his hands and another bloke cutting with an angle grinder.

    Another one is the octogenarian who turns his hearing aid off instead of using ear muffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl Robbers View Post
    As far as youtube metalworking videos that get on my goat, anything by that Chucke2009 moron goes right to the top of the heap. His workmanship is poor, knowledge non existent and he doesn't speak properly.
    Karl,
    Chucky is a graduate of a welding college. Back when he started his u tube episodes in the shed on his Moms farm there was a banner hung on the wall that proclaimed whatever the college was ( I have long forgotten) I recall him saying he spent 6 weeks there.
    I think a lot are like that.

    They get a bit of practice and then the student becomes the teacher.

    The welding taught did not include oxy acetylene cutting. You may notice a large self made vice on his work bench. Those cut edges are devoid of any grinding or dressing at all,no grinding discs or flap discs were worn in the making of that project.
    You may well might expect that sort of basic safety ignorance from him but from some other u tube metalwork presenters, you really don't.

    Their original work denotes that that they are suitably intelligent and thoughtful experienced people to enable some very innovative fabrication projects.

    Toumas Soleil ( he makes the AG attachments) is one guy that uses his (guarded-10 points) cutter grinder but consistently holds the sheet plate with his other hand. All it takes is a grab and release to have a cutter grinder wheel near slice of a finger. Its very hard for the medical people to clean the wheel residue out of the wound.
    People new to the craft see this and because the subject matter is so good, accept the bad practice with out further thought.

    Grahame

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl Robbers View Post
    anything by that Chucke2009 moron goes right to the top of the heap. His workmanship is poor, knowledge non existent and he doesn't speak properly.
    Heh. Then he posts angry rant videos about all these ungrateful viewers who leave comments about how much of a numpty he is... and turns of comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete O View Post
    Saw a bloke doing lathe work and clearing the long, stringy swarf from the tool with his hand as he went.
    This you may find is a common practice amongst members here, they may deny it or say I use gloves, doesn't matter razor sharp swarf cut leather just as well as it cuts skin, should just makeup a pullingstick with only a L shape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grahame Collins View Post
    The welding taught did not include oxy acetylene cutting. You may notice a large self made vice on his work bench. Those cut edges are devoid of any grinding or dressing at all,no grinding discs or flap discs were worn in the making of that project.
    Wasn't he a shill for some abrasives company at one stage?
    Oh, the irony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael G View Post
    The one I commonly see is welding done without long sleeves and/or gloves. It's not really a good practice to get into.

    Michael
    Guilty, I also wear crocs.

    At different times I've probably broken every safety rule in the book: grinding without safety glasses, lawnmowing without shoes, grinders without guards and many more. Only accident I ever had was reshaping my finger with a router bit. All good now though, it has returned to its original shape. I do have one saving grace though: I never, ever leave the key in the chuck - that is scary!

    Easy to point the finger when it comes to safety, we all make mistakes we all have some bad habits. If we followed safe practice to the letter we'd never get anything done.

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