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16th May 2019, 07:28 PM #46Diamond Member
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16th May 2019, 07:40 PM #47
Hi Karl,
I am sorry you misunderstood.
The content matter in the specific Chucky U tube has not got anything to do at all with metalworking safety.
It is about the nasty business in Christchurch NZ.Chucky decided to get involved in that, and shot himself in the foot. Not related to metalwork.
If there is comment about any other of his metalworking centered vids, I will not have a problem with that.
The controversial content and potential for ugly interaction online, has the capacity to badly damage or even destroy a forum. Hey! Not on my watch!
We are about metalworking.
I wanted to make it clear that anybody that brought specific discussion of that particular controversial non metalworking content will be gone.
I think most folk will not find my request unreasonable.
Grahame
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16th May 2019, 09:21 PM #48Pink 10EE owner
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Ahh you are being very diplomatic.
Sorry I did not think it a big deal as I am not interested in such matters except from an observation standpoint. I viewed his videos sporadically but found his titles were usually clickbait. I much prefer Scott Manley, Curious Droid, Periodic videos, oh and Forgotten weapons which recently did a video on the Owen Gun.
In any case I wandered past the TV recently and some Australian Home and Garden show was on and they were at a Blacksmiths shop and he was using an angle grinder with no guard.
Just last week my 9" grinder had a thin cut off wheel on it and it must have been cracked as it broke in half on startup. No injuries to anyone.Gold, the colour of choice for the discerning person.
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16th May 2019, 11:37 PM #49Most Valued Member
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I really don't understand the no guard thing on angle grinders. I've 9 of the things and the only one without a guard has a wire brush on it. All the others have their guards fitted.
I've done myself minor injuries *with* the guard fitted *and* wearing a lot of safety gear - gloves, full face shield, jacket etc. Why tempt fate further?
PDW
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17th May 2019, 12:05 AM #50Diamond Member
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I don't get the no guard thing either. For me, directing sparks so they don't hit my skin, my clothing or any glass in the vicinity, is very important, so having a guard that I can adjust is vital.
The one time I took the guard off my battery grinder for access, I managed to touch the disk twice with parts of my hand, despite never having even contacted the guard previously. The injuries weren't significant, just hot, angry, abrasions. But it was a reminder as to why, for me at least, it's a bad idea.
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17th May 2019, 12:29 AM #51
Me neither PDW,
I think that's one of the worst thing that could happen to me. Mashing up my finger/fingers.
Virtually all factory AG instructions mention the importance of guards but many seem to go by Tim The Tool man Taylor's Tee shirt
Real men don't read instuctions, but I know even Tim taylor would point out the danger.
I really think its the new starters getting their only info from utube that shows some of these 5 minute experts misusing a tool and because the viewer might be a bloke new to fabricating, they assume that lack of guards is the standard operating procedure.
It must be interesting when in a employment situation when a work injury claim is made due to grinder injury and no guards how these gooses get on.
Grahame
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17th May 2019, 09:39 AM #52Member
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I agree. I've been hobby machining for over 30 years and still get lax sometimes. Removing the chuck key is definitely a must. I had a friend in last month and as we stood at the lathe, side on to the 8" chuck, I removed the key, telling him why. I switched the lathe on and one of the jaws came off and shot between us. I've never had that happen before and certainly won't do that again!
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17th May 2019, 11:11 AM #53Banned
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When I started work there was no such thing as safe workshop practices. Over the years I've seen safety taken to what I consider silly heights. I never wore long sleeves, gloves, long pants, safety glasses at all in the shop, those practices, or lack thereof, continue to this day, with the exception perhaps of safety glasses. I've had rings and watches act as earths when welding, cut slots in my hands, legs and torso with 9" grinders, had multiple steel eye splinters and so on. So what's the message? absolutely none with the exception of perhaps 'learn from your mistakes'.
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17th May 2019, 11:39 AM #54Member: Blue and white apron brigade
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The "I've never done this or never done that" argument is like the, "smoking is fine because my 90 year old grandma smoked all her life and died in a car accident". People that ignore safety advice or at least don't undertake basic risk assessments are playing safety roulette - you might even die without ever suffering a safety related injury - good luck to you but that's not the sort of advice that should be offered here even if it is just in your home workshop. I suggest what we don't do or have got away with in our own sheds over the years in term of safety should perhaps stay there.
I'm no safety angel in my own shed and neither was I at work but when I started supervising at a mens shed I was very surprised at the lack of basic safety standards, blokes turning up wearing thongs, muffs and safety glasses gathering dust, members using gear unsafely etc. After a couple of years of this we did managed to make some small safety improvements but I found it was taking too long to make real improvements so for the sake of my mental health I stopped supervising. Even then as an ordinary member I found it too disturbing so now don't go there very often and when I do I try not to look too hard.
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17th May 2019, 01:12 PM #55
If you think about it part of the reason that the explosion of over the top safety precautions has come about because of liability.
Take for instance the person who ordered a take-away -cup of scalding hot coffee from McDonalds. Said person deposited said cup of hot coffee between their legs on the car seat instead of the proper receptacle vehicles have installed in them for such drinks and wonder of wonders it spilled over this idiots lap scalding their wedding tackle.
Said person sues McDonalds and wins and the net result everyone has to put up with lukewarm coffee.
It is part of the problem that common sense is no longer common. Some individuals are mentally incapable of making a simple judgement call on what might hurt them. The workplace is only reacting to that legal liabilibilty in the form of ridiculous rules to protect the idiots.To whit those people who, in the real scheme of things, shouldn't be allowed to be in the workplace without a minder.
Grahame
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17th May 2019, 09:23 PM #56Pink 10EE owner
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It is always 100% about liability.
That is why a business owner not classed as an employee of the business they own is free to not comply with any OHS laws provided there is not a single person classed as an employee on the premises. (what is classed as an employee these days is pretty broad and includes volunteers)
As well as private people on their own properties do not have to comply with OHS laws. Want to use an angle grinder without a safety sticker on the cord. Go right ahead. Want to jump off a cliff on your property using only feathers stuck to your arms with hot wax as a means to fly. No law against that either.
It is why most business owners would move to robots and automation 100% if they could. Employees are a liability in 2019 in Australia.Gold, the colour of choice for the discerning person.
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17th May 2019, 10:50 PM #57
Chiming in here from Across the pond:
1 Americans do really use the angle grinder guards. Evidentally the Ones that do not take more pictures.
2 McDonalds coffee seems just as hot as it always was, too hot for Me. The point being missed here is that 180+ people had got burnt from the coffee. McD's did not take the hint. The only way to change an unsafe condition is sometimes to sue it. Money is the only thing business cares about. Sad it's that way.
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17th May 2019, 11:14 PM #58Most Valued Member
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mcostello,
thanks for the clarification. That McDonalds coffee story is something of an urban legend here is Australia. It gets trotted out every time someone wants to have a gripe about our apparently litigious society. I'll remember to point out that 180 other people also got burned next time I hear the story.
I take a live and let live approach to workshop safety. I couldn't give a toss what other people do in their own workshops. I don't even care what they do on YouTube. I can make up my own mind what risks I'm prepared to take. I wonder whether some people spend so much time stressing about risk that they never actually get to enjoy their hobby. It's meant to be fun!Chris
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18th May 2019, 09:57 AM #59Most Valued Member
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While I'm on a roll-
the words moron, ning nong, numpty, dickheads and idiots (x2) have been used in this thread to describe people whose work practices the poster disagrees with. I am now officially a "dickhead" because I often forget to remove my gloves before using my pedestal grinder.
If you want to change people's behaviour it's better to bring them along with you than alienate them.Chris
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18th May 2019, 10:08 AM #60Member: Blue and white apron brigade
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