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27th Dec 2018, 10:35 AM #46Diamond Member
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What is the model of the Mitsubishi engine that is in there currently?
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27th Dec 2018, 12:35 PM #47
Either a 4G54, or 4G52 could never locate a proper model number.
, I currently have no choice but to repair it as nearly everyone is closed for the Holidays until early in January , I need to have this working as it is needed nearly every day to move or unload something.
Maintenance is scheduled for holiday times as workload drops to reasonable levels .
Michael
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27th Dec 2018, 12:46 PM #48Diamond Member
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Should be stamped on the side of the block.
4G54 is 2.6L 4G52 2.0L
Wouldn't be difficult to get parts for as they were fitted to a variety of cars from the 70's, 80's and 90's, sigmas, scorpions, magnas, some magnas even had fuel injection with the 4G54. If you need parts urgently you may be able to try some wreckers if they are open or some Mitsubishi forums, ebay, gumtree etc.
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27th Dec 2018, 02:06 PM #49Most Valued Member
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Is there anything about the fork that's particularly special? I would replace it with a lower hour fork for the same cost as a Kubota engine. Although you are fairly out of the way. Let me know if you need anything from Melbourne.
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27th Dec 2018, 02:39 PM #50Most Valued Member
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Biggest problem buying another "low hour fork" is the cost of transporting it there, finding an HONEST dealer, and it could be worse than the unit he has already!!!!!
It's like buying a used car, you don't really know the history of it!!! This is what Mike is trying to get away from.
At least repowering it, the motor would be reconditioned, so no nasty surprises for at least 5 years from the motor.
KrynTo grow old is mandatory, growing up is optional.
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27th Dec 2018, 09:51 PM #51Diamond Member
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Never realised forks could be so problematic.
I bought a little 2.5t ex-rental LPG Nissan about 5 years ago with 4,000 hrs on the clock. It's had zero maintenance apart from a new battery and a bit of grease in the side shift and pins. I'll admit it doesn't do a heap of work, but it starts and does its thing every time (except for when the battery died). I put this down to the fact that the engine doesn't ever seem to be doing much work.
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28th Dec 2018, 08:12 AM #52
You were lucky, the one that I currently have was "repaired " by shonky mechanics who had the attitude " its got a few hours on it just bodge it up ".
Now I am trying to find and fix their "work'.
Much of it is down to the shortcuts taken by others, which is not how I work, if someone wants a machine repaired and it has a lot of hours or miles , I have a good look at the critical components as best as can be done , talk to the operators , not the accountant or the desk jockies.
Then decide if its practical to fix or replace.
Never have I patched some thing up given it a quick coat of paint and pass the problem on to some unsuspecting buyer .
I now do not trust any dealer as they only care about the sale not long term operation.
Michael
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14th Jan 2019, 10:40 AM #53
Someone asked what is special about this machine , the mast height for where it works is critical as it can operate without any risk of damaging the building.
And now that some parts distributors have come back to work , the enquiries have located Zero available replacements , so I am looking a speccing a new machine , diesel enging with little or no electronics if possible as this machine spends most of its working day outside .
I also have only two days available downtime or I will have to hire one .
Michael
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15th Jan 2019, 11:09 PM #54Most Valued Member
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Good luck and let us know what you get. Low mast forks seem to be harder to get despite the advantages, what is you average load like and how high do you need to get?
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16th Jan 2019, 03:40 PM #55
I have just got a price for a new Kubota diesel engine , $5k plus delivery, just waiting for the specifications to come .
I also spoke to a supplier about a new machine , around $30k delivered.
that makes an engine swap look cheap.
Just need to measure mounts etc make a hydraulic pump drive to replace the dual uni joint currently on the machine .
I want to make servicing a bit easier so some mods will be done , eg all exhaust parts except manifold to be outside of the engine bay , air cleaner up out of dust zone .
Vents put in engine cover to allow better air flow for cooling.
Michael
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16th Jan 2019, 03:43 PM #56
The loads vary from max of 1.5 tonne to 150 kg skid .
Lift only needs to be around 4 m max , to allow pallets to be stacked or to lift parts out of machines
Michael
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16th Jan 2019, 06:53 PM #57Most Valued Member
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You could just spend between $13 and $16,000 on a good secondhand Hyster H2.50 Diesel (Perkins I believe), 3 stage mast 2500Kg and have no downtime and a damn good fork with good parts backup.
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16th Jan 2019, 08:16 PM #58Golden Member
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Diesel petrol swap
I once swapped a stuufed diesel and replaced it with a petrol engine in an old holden jackaroo.
Mechanic did the job for me as i know nothing about cars or engines
From that day on thete wete times when i just could not get the car into an appropriate gear / revs combination for certain hills and loads.
Dont know if you need to think about that when doing your swap, simply thought it might be worth considering . If forklifts have gearboxes then the revs from the new motor may not be quite right for some of your work.
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16th Jan 2019, 08:20 PM #59Most Valued Member
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You could also ask, "Why was this machine sold or traded?" Buying a second hand unit is risky, as it could be in worse condition than what is available to him now. Plus putting in a NEW motor, there'll be no problems in that department, for at least 5 years.
There might be good parts backup, but most of the parts would be in Sydney or Melbourne or Perth, then there would be freight of several days downtime, which brings us back to square one!!!!! Mike is after reliabilty.
Would you buy a used car of unknown origin, without being prepared to spend more money ?????
KrynTo grow old is mandatory, growing up is optional.
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16th Jan 2019, 10:33 PM #60Most Valued Member
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If you were chasing reliability, then you wouldn't be playing around putting a Kubota engine in an old fork. My last employer bought a 3.5 tonne Toyota with sideshift and fork positioning and only 1998 hours for $8000 due to a company upgrading.
People trade forks so they stay up to date with the latest safety systems and similar. Mike has clearly stated that he does not want current technology. It has also been stated that more than a couple of days downtime is unacceptable. I highly doubt that this engine swap can be completed in that time.
I would also point out that the engine is but one part of a forklift.
No skin off my nose either way, but a turn key fork of known bloodlines stacks up pretty well against a bodged up bitzer. To clarify that point, Mike4 has told us how he keeps finding bodged up repairs, so I am not implying that Mike4 is dodgy.
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