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18th Nov 2018, 02:18 PM #61Most Valued Member
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The Chinese can make the best of the best if you are willing to pay for it. H&F can source top quality chinese stuff from an expensive chinese supplier BUT, people like you and I will complain about the price and probably not buy it. So, they source the cheaper chinese suppliers, but the quality is lacking. To stay in business, it's all about catering to the masses NOT the occasional person who wants to pay a bit more for better quality. Unfortunately.
I would rather Chines stuff than stuff made in India.
SimonGirl, I don't wanna know about your mild-mannered alter ego or anything like that." I mean, you tell me you're, uh, super-mega-ultra-lightning babe? That's all right with me. I'm good. I'm good.
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18th Nov 2018, 03:42 PM #62Most Valued Member
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18th Nov 2018, 03:46 PM #63Most Valued Member
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Not sure why they dont cater for both. If i was to have a guess id say it comes down to the bottom line. They have a finite amount of floor space. What tools will bring them the most profit.
I didnt realise festool was so bad....
Edit: its been 7 years since i bought a new machine tool and im likely never to again. I have since bought quite a few older worn out machines of better build quality and even with their age, they are simply nicer to use. Having said that, my chinese mill and lathe have brought me many hours of joy and i have learnt many skills using them.
Dormer made in india? I may have to start rethinking my attitude towards stuff made there..
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Sent from my SM-G900I using TapatalkGirl, I don't wanna know about your mild-mannered alter ego or anything like that." I mean, you tell me you're, uh, super-mega-ultra-lightning babe? That's all right with me. I'm good. I'm good.
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18th Nov 2018, 05:09 PM #64Senior Member
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Whole heartedly agree with this.
In the pneumatics and hydraulic tool industry over the last 10 years many of the big players have parts or complete units made in China. Their quality cannot be questioned. It is as good, or if not better than where it was being made. Specially if the company was having trouble with their bottom line and had started to cut corners before the move to China.
Companies like H&R are supplying a market and we as customers must take some responsibility for this.
That being said the crack in the casting is wrong and should have been spotted long before it got to the customer.
As an ex-foundry man the casting quality itself is a bit average and from what I have seen at H&R it seems to be par for the course.
Its the old get what you pay for.Last edited by bts; 18th Nov 2018 at 05:10 PM. Reason: I canot spel
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18th Nov 2018, 05:50 PM #65Most Valued Member
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18th Nov 2018, 06:09 PM #66Most Valued Member
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Ha!
Yes wrt floor space and the type of machines they stock, im all out of explanations!
Like i said before, im glad im no longer in the market for any new machines because i cant afford the best and i hate the cheap end as well.
Of my 7 machines only 2 were bought new and one of those was inherited. The rest were all made in the 50's 60's and 70's.
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18th Nov 2018, 06:09 PM #67
Simon,
We are not asking for the best of the best. Indeed, our only expectations are that the product offered is fit for its purpose and it does last up to the warranty period at the very least.
Some Chinese manufacturers are known for quality fade, wherein a product is offered that meets the buyers' needs and specifications initially after a passage of time Over time various declines in quality occur
When poor manufacture occurs increasingly over the passage of time it is time to take a stand. The importer has to a responsibility to the end customer to provide equipment that works out of the box and lasts for a reasonable time.
It is the importer that negotiates with the manufacturer to get the best quality for the money, spent, not the end customer.
If at any stage past the initial negotiations re the product, it is up to the importer to monitor ongoing quality and take the said manufacturer to task if there are any quality reductions.
If you are doubtful of some manufacterers behaviour have read about it in Poorly made in China by Paul Midler, westerner who worked with them for a decade.
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18th Nov 2018, 06:31 PM #68Member: Blue and white apron brigade
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I don't think that crack was there when it left the factory, or maybe even when it left H&F, but it happened after the blade support mechanism was adjusted.
This is not an excuse for the crack happening but let's not blame people for poor inspection when the crack may not have been not present.
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18th Nov 2018, 07:17 PM #69Most Valued Member
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19th Nov 2018, 05:52 PM #70Most Valued Member
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I swapped the saws today. While loading the dodgy saw onto my trailer I noticed a second crack. This one appears to bear the impact mark that caused it. The new saw had a very dodgy motor mount. Just two M10 bolts through oversize holes the casting into a thin steel mounting plate. It was impossible to tighten the belt properly, because as I tightened the tensioning screw the tabs on the mounting plate bent. So I reamed out the threads with a 10mm reamer and fitted a 10mm axle. Much better.
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19th Nov 2018, 07:33 PM #71Member: Blue and white apron brigade
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Oh dear.
Was motor mounted the same way on the first saw?
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19th Nov 2018, 09:04 PM #72Most Valued Member
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I don't know. I stopped looking after I discovered the crack. I don't recall the belt tension adjustment being so sloppy.
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19th Nov 2018, 10:01 PM #73
Good to hear you got it sorted and it wasn't your fault, enjoy your saw.
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21st Nov 2018, 09:55 PM #74
To get the best from your Horizontal Bandsaw, heres a guide from one of the bandsaw blade makers.
Bandsaw technique.jpg
Grahame
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21st Nov 2018, 10:24 PM #75Most Valued Member
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Interesting Grahame. They are the opposite of what my machine's manual says. Also different to the Jet manual shown here:
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