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24th Jul 2018, 08:01 PM #1
Scrap !
Hi Guys,
Yesterday I visited one of the people that I buy bits and pieces of tooling from. Only to discover that they have recently skipped 8 imperial tons of horizontal milling cutters, arbours and collars ! Most of the cutters were new and still in the protective wax. They had another skip full, about to be collected, full of chucks, new jaws, and other lathe parts including tail stocks and tool holders. Sadly they wouldn't tell me which scrap yard was buying this lot. A crying shame to see...Best Regards:
Baron J.
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24th Jul 2018, 10:26 PM #2
So sad, but this is what Australia has come to because of very little manufacturing here, obsolete tooling with CNC taking over everything.
I would of 100 percent bought it for double scrap price for horizontal cutters and postage on top.Using Tapatalk
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24th Jul 2018, 10:40 PM #3
And here I am trying to get a horizontal mill up and running.
…..Live a Quiet Life & Work with your Hands
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24th Jul 2018, 11:32 PM #4Senior Member
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Guessing since your location is set as UK it was not in Australia that these were thrown out.
If it were in Australia I would be calling all the scrap yards around the area to find who took them and buy them. Like DSEL74 I'm in the processing of getting a horizontal mill up and running but don't have much tooling for it at the moment.
Stuff like this makes you wonder why they didn't do a fire sale, sell them for by the kilo for 3x scrap price, would probably find people buying up big. Guess big business is just happy to be wasteful.
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25th Jul 2018, 01:30 AM #5
Hi Guys,
Thanks for your kind words. It really is very sad. I'm on their mailing list and received nothing to tell me that this is what they were doing, indeed they didn't bother to say anything to anybody. Apparently the business owner gave instructions to skip everything in one part of the warehouse to clear way for brand new machines. I assume from China.
Bob. No pictures I'm afraid, I don't normally take my camera with me, plus some of the places that I visit wouldn't allow me to take photographs anyway.
Dave. Sorry, I'm in the UK. However I think that this is becoming the way of the world. CNC and automation rules
Dean, MasterSpoon. It is very frustrating I know, to hear of this sacrilege taking place when you may need some of those parts.Best Regards:
Baron J.
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25th Jul 2018, 10:10 AM #6Member: Blue and white apron brigade
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25th Jul 2018, 10:23 AM #7
I am sorry to hear this but it is the way of the world we currently live in.
It means nothing to the suppliers who are there in the end to make a profit.
What seems to be a reasonable profit that we as a metalwork community would see, is not a reasonable profit to them.
As BobL suggests the Burberry scenario is closer to reality. For the suppliers to classify and organize a hobbyists sale is placed in the too hard and not enough profit basket.
Bean counters, Uggh!!!
Grahame
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25th Jul 2018, 08:36 PM #8Senior Member
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I will admit I have a friend in one of the local scrap metal yards who regularly puts stuff aside for me. Some of the stuff that goes through there is just mind boggling. If something like 8 ton of tooling came in I'd get a phone call to say get here now ! The hardest part would be building the extra shed to put it all....
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25th Jul 2018, 09:36 PM #9Most Valued Member
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They scrap the stuff to get a decent "write off" for taxation purposes.
It is more profitable to scrap than sell it at firesale prices.
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27th Jul 2018, 09:40 PM #10Most Valued Member
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I bought nearly 100kg of horizontal milling cutters on a Grays online auction last year for peanuts. Most of them brand new; I've enough for 4 lifetimes. I think there was something like 20 brand new 6" diameter x 1/2" wide side & face cutters alone. There's a lot out there if you look.
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27th Jul 2018, 09:53 PM #11Most Valued Member
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Have any that you'd like to sell, preferably with a 1" bore??
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27th Jul 2018, 10:30 PM #12Senior Member
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BaronJ just needed to look in the skip bin...
On a more serious note there are heaps out there, it's quite often just a case of being patient and waiting. I have been looking on and off for Horizontal cutters and ISO 50 tooling but must not have been looking hard enough as there never seems to be any for sale when I'm looking.
Ohh well, all in good time
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28th Jul 2018, 09:43 AM #13
I need 1” bore cutters also. I’d like to find some slab mills and conconcave & convex ones.
l’d also like to get a collet arbour to take endmills…..Live a Quiet Life & Work with your Hands
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28th Jul 2018, 10:17 AM #14Most Valued Member
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They're all 1" bore which was nice as I was expecting some other size simply because of Murphy's Law.
I'd sell some of the multiples of the 6" ones I guess, maybe some of the others. I gave a bunch away to my friends & traded a bunch, still got a lot more than I'll ever need. Not sure when I'll have time for a while though as I'm in Sydney ATM, already scheduled for Brisbane for part of September and then likely Perth in October/November and I already have a backlog of marine work. My machine shop is in Tasmania.
If you have or build a tool & cutter grinder you can't really ever wear these cutters out in a home workshop so once you've a reasonable selection of sizes you're set for life. I use my horizontal mill a fair bit more than I use my B/port, to the point that I expect I'll end up selling the B/port as I need the space (and I have other vertical mills).
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28th Jul 2018, 11:59 AM #15Member: Blue and white apron brigade
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Reasonably priced of 1" diameter cutters come up pretty regularly on ebay but they are mostly out of the US so shipping is a killer.
I recently bought a set of 6, 4" and 5" cutters/saws for US$25 but the shipping cost was US$40.
Still a good deal considering the new 5" cutter with side chip clearance that was part of the set, had an RRP of over US$150 .
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