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27th Jun 2018, 08:55 PM #1Diamond Member
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Moving 600 kg Mill
Hi,
I'm going to have to push/pull my new mill about 25 metres over my backyard lawn.
The lawn is rather soggy. I was going to use 2-3 mm thick sheet metal but it expensive. I'm now thinking of using thick ply. Maybe 16 mm thick or formwork ply. Has anyone tried using it? Will it handle the weight (600 kg spread over a three or four 1" bars)?
Ben.
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27th Jun 2018, 09:13 PM #2
Do you have engine crane?
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27th Jun 2018, 09:13 PM #3Member
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I would say yes...but you will need 2 pieces of ply as it's hard to re position one with a 660 kg mill sitting on it.
The transition from one sheet of ply to the other is where you might have a problem.
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27th Jun 2018, 09:37 PM #4Diamond Member
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Yeah, I'll have to get two pieces of ply for the move. Was thinking of getting one 2400 mm cut in half.
No engine crane, was going to hire one for the day.
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27th Jun 2018, 10:03 PM #5
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This might work for you. I've used corrigated roofing iron for that type of job, it always works for me . The machinery slides along the high peaks easily and the corrigations add strength . If going uphill, I use a little 1 ton chain block and anchor it to anything nearby , fit a rope or chain low down around the base of the mill and slowly haul the machine along witht he chain block. If on level ground or downhill, you can also use a long bar and gently pry up the base of the machine and it will slide along a few inches at a time. I sometimes use gal. pipes on top of the corrigated sheets too. The most important thing is to be patient , slowly it goes, might take a few hours .
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27th Jun 2018, 10:04 PM #6Most Valued Member
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Ben I assume that you cant get a trailer into your backyard?
What about one of your 3 neighbors, can you pull down a section of fence and get your trailer in that way?
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27th Jun 2018, 10:16 PM #7Senior Member
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Years ago I helped a friend move an Elliot mill, Bridgeport size and configuration, over a lawn much the same as you are contemplating. we used scaffold planks and round-bar rollers about 20 mm diameter. This worked very well. The problem with using an engine crane and plywood would be to get the wheels over the joints but could be solved by laying 4 mm steel plate strips on top of the ply. The scaffold planks and pipe/round-bar rollers would probably be easier.
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28th Jun 2018, 05:21 AM #8Diamond Member
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Thanks for the ideas.
No rear yard access. I'll be putting that one on the list if we buy another house (plus a bigger shed). My neighbors are good guys but older than me. I will have some help from a mate though.
I like the corrugated iron idea. I'm now working at the big green hardware place (a man's gotta work) so I will get "team member discount" , nothings cheap though, the plywood will be around $70 to $90 per sheet.
Ben.
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28th Jun 2018, 08:39 AM #9Most Valued Member
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Another option is to buy some treated pine sleepers and space them apart like tracks and then move the mill on steel rollers that roll along the treated pine. The treated pine sleepers will deform much less making it a bit easier, they will cost much less than plywood and will survive so you can use them for another project in the garden.
Slow, controlled and steady will win this race!
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28th Jun 2018, 09:27 AM #10
Years ago we moved a large safe, after looking at the hassle and safety we rang a crane truck place.
They quoted $250 for the onsite move and turned up with a 80 ton remote control hiab with massive reach.
Did the job so easy and turns out we where quoted for 1 hour.Using Tapatalk
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28th Jun 2018, 10:19 AM #11Member: Blue and white apron brigade
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I can second this method.
When working on a nature playground we had to instal a sculpture made up of a number of logs into a depression the middle of existing playground equipment and had the option of dismantling existing playground equipment land laying a ramp into the depression and using a front end loader with a log grapple to move them into position, or use a crane with a long reach. The heaviest log was about 700 kg and the reach needed was ~30m which it did easily. It also cost only ~$250
The cost of cranes often depends on where the power lines near your house are - if these are in the way or even nearby the $$ can escalate dramatically.
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28th Jun 2018, 12:31 PM #12Golden Member
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When I brought my mill home, I scratched my head over how to get it off the trailer and into the shed, I ended up getting a truck with a hiab to come and lift it off. Cost me $300 as a minimum fee. I was hoping he could do it inside the shed but there wasn't enough height to unfold the hiab and he would not drive the truck even a few meters with the crane unfolded, so he lifted it off outside and used the reach to place it inside the shed door.
If I had the time over, I would spend the $300 to build a sturdy, wheeled gantry with trailer stub axles and wheels. Then I would have still had the gantry when the shaper came home, then the surface grinder, etc etc etc.
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28th Jun 2018, 04:58 PM #13Senior Member
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G'day Ben, exciting times, a new mill.
This Saturday last a mate and I picked up a crusty old Qualos mill, which is also an estimated 600kg.
It was already on old scaffold tube (about 48mm diameter), and relatively movable on the rough carport concrete slab.
At the end of the carport we pushed it out onto lawn, using scrap plate that was around. Had to do this for the engine crane to lift high enough for trailer.
A ratchet winch kept things under control, for the final horizontal pull into the trailer.
I'd recommend winches or chain blocks, if there is any slope in the path.
Ply, mdf, chipboard that is thick enough sounds ok. The bigger surface contact area of pipe rollers has the benefit of less sinking, compared to wheels. There are down-sides, of course.
Simon's comment about using 're-usable' track material, has great cred, of course.
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28th Jun 2018, 05:44 PM #14Diamond Member
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Hi,
Had a quick look at work today, 3.2 mm corrugated iron sheet 3.6 mtrs x 1.6 mtrs is about $48.00. Buy one sheet and cut it in half would be the cheapest option so far. Or two ironwood 200 x 100 3.2 mtr sleepers at about the same might work.
The HIAB to get the MM off the trailer cost me a slab of beer.
There's one 90 degree turn I gotta make which also has a slight slope which has me worried.
Gotta sell the Hercus first.
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29th Jun 2018, 08:55 PM #15Senior Member
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I made a little trolley with 6 or 8 castors to move my mill, but it was partially dismantled.
I'd think treated pine sleepers, 200x 50 would do, 2@ 2.4 and cut them in half would carry the weight of the mill on pipe rollers
4 @ full length would probably be easier.
Russ
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