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    Default A cheap and cheerful oiler solution

    Hi all,

    Up until recently I had basically used a standard oil can to deliver oil lubrication to the various oil points on my machines. As you can imagine, this has been a constant source of self-inflicted frustration, since an oil can is not really designed to deliver oil to these ports, it usually ends up all over the place! It requires what people call a pom pom oiler although I have never owned one or seen one!


    So I did some searching on ebay recently for a cheaper alternative and found this:

    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/OREGON-G...sAAOSwxp9W6jW0

    Made by Oregon, it's designed to deliver grease to a lubrication port on your bar sprocket. In any case I figured I needed one for my chainsaw anyway and so two for $36 sounded like a good deal. I chose the above seller but there are numerous sellers offering similar products at similar prices. They all seem to be made from the same company and most that I looked at had "Made in Germany" plastered all over them which had me wondering if it was genuine.

    push lube 3.jpgpush lube 2.jpgpush lube 4.jpg


    Anyway, today I decided to have a play. So I removed the grease from one of them and flushed it clean before adding some oil. The grease (or oil) is held in with a rubbery silicon ring pull plug and then a black end plug. The end plug is more just a dust cap really and all the sealing is done with the silicon ring pull seal. I was dubious if that particular seal would hold the grease in (especially if left lying down over summer) let alone any oil but to my surprise it is a particularly effective seal. Not even a drop of oil runs out if left inverted.


    Next, I tried it on an oil port on my lathe. Surprisingly, it was a joy to use! It delivered 99% of the oil into the ball oiler with very little left to wipe up afterwards and no oil leaks from anywhere else.


    Next was to try one of the oil ports on my Pacific Mill. It is inverted. Surely it would run into issues delivering oil upside down, since it would "suck" air if it was not completely full. Once again, It was a pleasure to use. That soft silicon seal is actually a clever design as it moves down the tube as the oil is dispensed, meaning there is never any air in the system.


    Anyway, not sure if anyone is actually interested in this but the issue of lubrication always seems to come up from time to time so I thought I would share my experience with others using this type of oiler. I guess time will tell how long they last but for a home workshop environment, it's not going to be used all day, every day and FWIW, I think they are actually made in Germany. The black dust cap also has "made in Germany" in much smaller, more believable writing.


    Happy lubricating folks!

    Simon
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    Hi Simon,

    I have two pom pom push type oil guns, one supplied by Myford and an almost identical one supplied by Fobco. They both leak irrespective of which way up they are stored. I now keep them stood on their base in a plastic tray, which I empty from time to time. In use they both deliver oil as they should, but I agree that they are less than ideal. It would be nice to find one that didn't leak while stored.
    Best Regards:
    Baron J.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaronJ View Post
    Hi Simon,

    I have two pom pom push type oil guns, one supplied by Myford and an almost identical one supplied by Fobco. They both leak irrespective of which way up they are stored. I now keep them stood on their base in a plastic tray, which I empty from time to time. In use they both deliver oil as they should, but I agree that they are less than ideal. It would be nice to find one that didn't leak while stored.
    Bugger. Thats really disappointing!

    No doubt mine will start to leak soon too then.

    Cheers

    Simon

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    Rega oil can rules.
    The worst that can happen is you will fail.
    But at least you tried.



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    Simon put one of these on your wish list
    https://m.ebay.com.au/itm/Pressol-Grease-Gun-Push-Type-Pom-Pom-Gun-12363-/251371696588?nav=SEARCH
    It never leaks and works well.

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    Cripes, once you know what you're looking for, they are everywhere.... at all kinds of prices....
    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/202120701333
    Cheers, Joe
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhovel View Post
    Cripes, once you know what you're looking for, they are everywhere.... at all kinds of prices....
    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/202120701333
    Bloody hell Joe, that's less than 1/3 the price I got mine for. I can only hope that since it has not got "made in Germany" on it, that it's an inferior Chinese copy that will start leaking in 1 week and not 3 weeks?!

    Simon
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    Thanks Joe

    By the look of the taper on that oiler, it appears that it might be useful on the lathe button oiler. Can you confirm this with your Oregon oiler, simonl?

    I have a Rega button pump can and a similar one in a Pressol oil can.The Rega sucks at oiling the button oilers on my lathe, with more oil on the surrounds of the fitting than ever goes into it. For a few dollars for one of these doovers it is not worth messing around turning a taper in aluminium for the Rega.

    thanks
    Grahame

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grahame Collins View Post
    Thanks Joe

    By the look of the taper on that oiler, it appears that it might be useful on the lathe button oiler. Can you confirm this with your Oregon oiler, simonl?

    I have a Rega button pump can and a similar one in a Pressol oil can.The Rega sucks at oiling the button oilers on my lathe, with more oil on the surrounds of the fitting than ever goes into it. For a few dollars for one of these doovers it is not worth messing around turning a taper in aluminium for the Rega.

    thanks
    Grahame
    Hi Grahane,

    Yes it works nicely on my lathes button oiler ports. Very little waste.

    Simon

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaronJ View Post
    I have two pom pom push type oil guns... They both leak irrespective of which way up they are stored...
    I had that problem but solved it by making up a cylindrical piece with o-ring that fitted in the bore of the gun and screwed that to the inside of the oiler cap. I now store the oiler cap down (although still in a catch tray) as the oil does not get past the o-ring and a piece of solid metal.

    Sorry - can't do photos as it is in the 'other' workshop

    Michael

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    Hi Michael,

    I had that problem but solved it by making up a cylindrical piece with o-ring that fitted in the bore of the gun and screwed that to the inside of the oiler cap.
    That is a great idea Now why didn't that occur to me ? I have an "O" ring kit sat doing nothing.

    Time for a round to it

    Thanks:
    Best Regards:
    Baron J.

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    Cool PomPom, No, not the UK one !

    Hi Guys,

    First a quick thanks to Michael for prodding the old grey matter and prompting me into doing something about the oil that constantly leaks out of both my PomPom oil guns. As I mentioned I have an imperial "O" ring kit and a bit of brass sawn off some 1" inch bar. I took both oil guns apart and apart from the different fittings, they are identical. After trying several "O" rings from the kit, I found that "R18" (7/8" X 1/8") was a perfect fit. NOTE: It seems that imperial "O" rings are measured by inside diameter, but metric ones are measured by the outside diameter. Recipe for confusion there, blame the French

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    This is the oil leaked since the last time I filled and used both oil guns. I pour the leaked oil into the round container when I take the oil guns out to use them. I use this oil to wipe down tools and surfaces.

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    These pictures are of both oil guns after taking them apart. Both guns have a little non return ball valve in them. The long nozzle is the Fobco one, it has a black base cap. The other is the Myford one with a rubber ring in the end of the nozzle and a plastic dirt cover. Both oil guns have the same stopper and chain so that it can easily be removed for filling. I made no attempt to remove the tube that goes into the gun body, because it has a compression spring that is secured by a spring metal plate that has barbs that dig into the plastic body.

    14-02-2018-012.JPG 14-02-2018-011.jpg

    Here is the result of my labours for the day. It fits snugly without binding. The black plastic stopper is now redundant.
    Now to see if it leaks.

    Thanks:
    Best Regards:
    Baron J.

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